The USA Federal Court has backed Trump on kicking out the criminals.

"Immigrants in the United States commit crimes at lower rates than the U.S.-born population, notwithstanding the assertion by critics that immigration is linked to higher rates of criminal activity. This reality of reduced criminality, which holds across immigrant groups including unauthorized immigrants, has been demonstrated through research as well as findings for the one state in the United States—Texas—that tracks criminal arrests and convictions by immigration status.

A growing volume of research demonstrates that not only do immigrants commit fewer crimes, but they also do not raise crime rates in the U.S. communities where they settle. In fact, some studies indicate that immigration can lower criminal activity, especially violent crime, in places with inclusive policies and social environments where immigrant populations are well established."

www.migrationpolicy.org/content/immigrants-and-crime

Wyllow3

No more or less than the population at large?

The correct answer.

Not 25%!!

Wyllow3

"Immigrants in the United States commit crimes at lower rates than the U.S.-born population, notwithstanding the assertion by critics that immigration is linked to higher rates of criminal activity. This reality of reduced criminality, which holds across immigrant groups including unauthorized immigrants, has been demonstrated through research as well as findings for the one state in the United States—Texas—that tracks criminal arrests and convictions by immigration status.

A growing volume of research demonstrates that not only do immigrants commit fewer crimes, but they also do not raise crime rates in the U.S. communities where they settle. In fact, some studies indicate that immigration can lower criminal activity, especially violent crime, in places with inclusive policies and social environments where immigrant populations are well established."

www.migrationpolicy.org/content/immigrants-and-crime

Which all seems at odds with the 25% or 22% or whatever.

Trump still behaving like a two year old in a tantrum. Still doing us all a favour as those who have closed their eyes to his behaviour and attitude will have to recognise his behaviour now. Still he is definitely getting people to join together to agree what a moron he is . If they are looking at criminals he comes quite high up in the list!!

His cabinet is rife with skeletons in cupboards. Just take these 3 for example

"Three of Trump's Cabinet selections have faced allegations of sexual misconduct
Matt Gaetz, Pete Hegseth and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. face questions about their personal actions as well as their professional qualifications ahead of the Senate confirmation process."

www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/three-trumps-cabinet-selections-face-allegations-sexual-misconduct-rcna180872

....and if memory serves, wasn't Trump convinced of....oh I give up. A cabinet of sycophants and personal favourites. Anyone might think a chan saw was in order......

Convicted not convinced. Or maybe both.

fancythat

I wonder if we are talking at cross purposes.

At least 22% of the men on the list have criminal records here in the United States or abroad. The vast majority are for non-violent offenses like theft, shoplifting and trespassing. About a dozen are accused of murder, rape, assault and kidnappin

You and others are saying that this is not a big deal?

What I am saying is that minor crimes do not warrant deportation to a high security prison with no recourse, and that the same USA justice and punishment system should apply to everybody. That is what happens in a democracy.

I will try this again.

The 25% number comes only from the small subgroup of aliens that Trump has rounded up, not from the total number of immigrants in the US. There are estimated to be 11 million illegal immigrants in the US. He was targeting criminals in his search, of course the numbers will be higher than the rest of the population.

The 25% number only applies to the group Trump rounded up and does not reflect criminals in the overall population of the 11 million migrants in the US.

There are people in that group with legal work permits fancythat. This could go on ad infinitum. I disagree profoundly with deporting anybody, legal or illegal imigrants included, to a high security facility in a different country to where the crime has been committed, if indeed a crime has been committed, which it hasn’t in over 90% of cases. You can repeat your case as often as you like, I think it is without foundation. It was wrong.

Casdon

fancythat

I wonder if we are talking at cross purposes.

At least 22% of the men on the list have criminal records here in the United States or abroad. The vast majority are for non-violent offenses like theft, shoplifting and trespassing. About a dozen are accused of murder, rape, assault and kidnappin

You and others are saying that this is not a big deal?

What I am saying is that minor crimes do not warrant deportation to a high security prison with no recourse, and that the same USA justice and punishment system should apply to everybody. That is what happens in a democracy.

I would agree with that.

imaround

I will try this again.

The 25% number comes only from the small subgroup of aliens that Trump has rounded up, not from the total number of immigrants in the US. There are estimated to be 11 million illegal immigrants in the US. He was targeting criminals in his search, of course the numbers will be higher than the rest of the population.

The 25% number only applies to the group Trump rounded up and does not reflect criminals in the overall population of the 11 million migrants in the US.

I was nt talking about the total number of immigrants in the US either.

And I still say that 25% is extraordinarily high.

We will have to agree to differ.

In 2024, the total number of immigrants arrested was 17,048 out of 11,000,000

Total percentage = 0.15%

For those who want to see the big picture.

fancythat

imaround

Also, 75% of people deported were found to have no criminal record. He is targeting LEGAL migrants right now.

www.cbsnews.com/news/what-records-show-about-migrants-sent-to-salvadoran-prison-60-minutes-transcript/

Yikes though. Does mean 25% did.
That is a huge percentage.

Yet you were the one who quoted 75%, and by definition 25% in the first place!

I always said 25% of the group he rounded up. I never said it was 25% of all immigrants.

25% of all immigrants would be high, yes.

25% of small subset of people in this instance is low. Because his goal was to find 100% of criminals and he couldn't. Because in the entire population of immigrants, only 0.15% of them are criminals.

His rhetoric that all migrants are hardened criminals and gang members does not match up to the actual numbers.

None of these numbers matter when you look at the facts that 1) he lied about only rounding up violent criminals 2) when he couldn't find only violent criminals, he lied and said those who are not criminals were 3) he put them in detention centers without access to lawyers and then 4) sent them to a prison in another country without actually being convicted of a crime and now 5) says no one has any jurisdiction to bring these innocent people back where they were wrongly placed.

He is now deporting legal migrants. The ones who did things right, and played by the rules and came here legally. None of these people have committed any crimes, work and pay taxes.

Which leads me to the conclusion that it really isn't about the right/wrong way to migrate or crime, as I have heard from Trump supporters in the US for years.

1st paragraph, true

2nd paragraph, glad you agree

3rd paragraph, I need to look more into that

4th paragraph, well that couldnt really be true

5th paragraph, looks wrong behaviour by him, at first glance

6th paragraph, if true, that is wrong behaviour

7th paragraph - your opinion.
Being illegal isnt the way to go.

I keep thinking, who was the person who stopped people being able to apply for assylum in embassies.
I cant find the answer on goo gle.

The 4th is true and proof has already been provided.

My opinion on 7 was formed, as I stated in my previous post, because he is targeting legal migrants as well as illegal migrants.

So being illegal must not be his only reason.

I am going to go research the asylum question. You peaked my interest.

AI gave me a quick answer that basically applying for asylum at Embassies was never a practice.

US law says asylum seekers must be present in the US to claim asylum.

It does say that Diplomatic asylum seekers can present themselves at embassies, but not all US Embassies will accept them.

www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/jul/10/raul-labrador/no-immigrants-cannot-apply-asylum-us-embassies-or-/#:~:text=U.S.%20Citizenship%20and%20Immigration%20Services%2C%20Asylum%2C%20Last%20Reviewed/Updated,17%2C%202012

4th paragraph - i meant Trump could never have been right on that one.

Rest, I will come back to later/another time

I enjoyed our conversation and got to learn about the different types of asylum today! Something I am sure I learned in school a long, long time ago and forgot.

www.britannica.com/topic/asylum

“The Trump administration’s officials have started saying the quiet part out loud. Acting ICE director Todd Lyons said that he wanted to see a deportation process “like [Amazon] Prime, but with human beings,” and that he thinks we should be “treating this like a business.”

Lyons appeared along with other Trump officials at the 2025 Border Security Expo in Phoenix, Arizona. He spoke of new technology that could be used in the deportation process, including using AI to “free up bed space” and “fill up airplanes” to increase the pace of deportations.“

It is the lack of humanity that is so shocking IMO. These are people, not commodities.

Mind you if I lived in the areas where these ‘bad-ass’ types lived I’d be delighted to see them rounded up and shipped out.

I am sure most people don't want criminals living near them. Except not all of these people are illegals nor criminals. Even if they are, they are human beings and should be treated, at the very least, in accordance to UN Human Rights council rules. Instead, he removed the US from the Human Rights Council and is now participating in what would be considered war crimes if we were at war.

He is violating peoples civil rights and treating them like cattle. It isn't a good look for him, nor anyone who supports his methods. The lack of empathy is astounding in both groups. There is a better way he could be doing all of this but he doesn't care.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Mind you if I lived in the areas where these ‘bad-ass’ types lived I’d be delighted to see them rounded up and shipped out.

FGT, a lot of US citizens live in areas where its dangerous to live and there are not high levels of immigrants! Home grown.