Will the Supreme Court protect Women's Rights?

PoliticsNerd

Galaxy

I don't really understand the comment about people on GN not caring about women's rights, they are discussed frequently. There is a current thread on single sex spaces. What do you mean?

I agree. Also, I would expect the majority to be interested in everyone's basic rights but not necessarily be prepared to put their opinions on GN and get mown down by the extremists on here.

By extremists I assume you mean women who with their knowledge of biology know that a man cannot become a women.

A man can put on a dress, heels and lipstick but it does not give them the right to enter women only spaces, nor does it give them the right to call themselves a women!

We could give them the benefit of the doubt, that they do not understand basic biology or we could call them out for what it actually is…

For the record I know of two trans women, and they are appalled by the new wave of which they describe as trans terrorists

Stepgranonabroomstick

I despair of Gransnet. Are there really only two people here who care about the basic rights of women?

If you are new to Gransnet, Stepgranonabroomstick, perhaps you have missed all the discussions on women's rights? Perhaps too you have not noticed that posters often miss one thread among the many which appear continuously all day. While they are busy reading and commenting on a serious thead on one international subject, they may not have read a different post which arrived in the middle of the discussion. I myself have just read this thread - yet I spent some time on GN yesterday. I also spent time doing other things, equally important, which took all my attention and I still have to finish today.

OldFrill's opening post apparently was posted at about ten to two, and you read it and replied at about ten past. Three hours later you were miffed that no-one else had posted. That is life! We do other things besides GN, and when we do sign in, we are not speed-readers.

Smileless2012

You must have missed the numerous threads here on GN over the last couple of years where this issue has been discussed Stepgranonabroomstick.

There is one running at the moment on this forum about single sex spaces, but I don't recall seeing you there.

This is far more wide ranging than single sex spaces

AGAA4

The argument seems to be that if a person has a GRC stating that they are a woman then they have access to all safe places of women.
A GRC can be used to say you have changed your sex.
No certificate can't change a man into a woman. It's biologically impossible .

As well as that, legislation says that to ask someone to prove they are now a different sex (by producing the said GRC, for instance) could be deemed a hate crime and cause the asker to be charged. This opens up the possibility that someone who is NOT trans but just wants access to female-only spaces (whether for voyeuristic motives or "for a laugh") can't be challenged without risking arrest.

What is the use of a document which confirms their trans status if no-one can ask to see it?

There is an obsession with toilets on GN. Is it because we sre all getting to a "difficult" stage of life?

There is an obsession with labelling women far right, hysterical, nazis. I wonder what that is linked to.

silverlining48

I didn’t know about this so read the link and hope the Scottish Supreme Court will do the right thing and protect women’s rights.

Thank you for reading the link, so important

Old frill is right, it is very important. As I have said elsewhere I am worried about this ruling, but we will see.

Stepgranonabroomstick, every woman I know of all ages have closely followed this subject for years. I can assure you we are not only interested but have contributed to the cause.

PoliticsNerd

There is an obsession with toilets on GN. Is it because we sre all getting to a "difficult" stage of life?

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You obviously have never been faced with a jock in a frock, demonstrating quite clearly that he is male and claiming loudly that he has a right to be in the female toilets at a motorway services.

Or you think it’s OK for men like Eddie Izzard to dress up in a skirt and put on make up and get himself filmed going into female toilets because he’s having a girly day.

Or have found yourself in a toilet with some jerk with a phone camera in the next door cubicle.

You are evidently old and certainly you might be at a difficult stage of life, but safe spaces for females is not an obsession with toilets, except maybe for the TIM and their supporters who object to females having safe spaces.

And it's not just single sex spaces that have been discussed here on GN for sometime OldFrill. My point was that the poster who suggested that there were only two people concerned about this issue, had not taken part in the current discussion about single sex spaces which of course is about women's rights.

Or, as I did, sought out those in charge only to be told they knew a man was masturbating habitually in a cubicle in the women’s toilets but they could do nothing about it because she identified as a woman and was doing it in private, in her own cubicle.

Or when I said I didn’t want to try on a dress in front of two teenage lads, in the women’s changing room for the morning it seemed, was told I not to use the changing room and to take the dress home to try on instead.

Of course, these instances aren’t “proven” because they weren’t accepted as worthy of attention or action.

OK Maya Forstater is saying biology wins, I trust her information but can't see the result anywhere yet. Anyone?

And welcome to Gransnet

BBC report the term ‘sex’ refers to biological women

Yes found it on Sky news.

"Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'
The definition of a woman and sex in the Equality Act relates to “a biological woman and biological sex”, the supreme court has ruled as it unanimofusly allowed an appeal from gender critical campaign group For Women Scotland.

Well done Supreme Court!

Women for Scotland won against the Scottish Government.

Well done Women for Scotland

My predictions are always wrong thank goodness

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I absolutely do care. But I don't read every single thread every single day.
Well done, Scottish women.

Thanks Goodness! A win for common sense, but above all for women and specifically Scottish women who have had to put up with all of this nonsense for too long. Who'd have thought, not going back that far, such a ruling would be necessary.

Common sense has not deserted us! 👏👏👏

How far would this have contined to go without this judgement?