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Will the Supreme Court protect Women's Rights?

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OldFrill Tue 15-Apr-25 13:48:53

Judgement is due tomorrow Wed 16 April.
The link explains the history, the options and the implications.

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/will-the-supreme-court-protect-womens-rights/

Smileless2012 Wed 16-Apr-25 10:36:04

What a relief especially for all women in Scotland smile.

karmalady Wed 16-Apr-25 10:45:58

and for all women in the uk. We have to thank the women and men who worked so hard to get in law that woman can only be biological woman. It is a huge step forward and now written in law

Rosie51 Wed 16-Apr-25 10:48:37

PoliticsNerd

OldFrill

This link explains why the case has reached the UK Supreme court and the implications of any judgement

It's far more than safe spaces for women
sexmatters.org/posts/updates/will-the-supreme-court-protect-womens-rights/

My tablet is denying access to that site. I think that may well tell me all I want to know about the article.

The Supreme Court judge who read out the judgement mentioned the sex matters organisation, so I'm afraid your tablet may be being a tyrannical bigot.

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/its-a-win/

karmalady Wed 16-Apr-25 10:51:27

My adult daughters will be ecstatic, both athletes and sometimes having to compete with stronger males who self identify as women. They will now be safer in safe changing rooms too as will our schoolgirls

Rosie51 Wed 16-Apr-25 10:52:27

karmalady

and for all women in the uk. We have to thank the women and men who worked so hard to get in law that woman can only be biological woman. It is a huge step forward and now written in law

It was always written in law karmalady the Supreme Court has just clarified that it always meant biological sex. Going forward a lot of cowardly businesses are going to have to be braver about enforcing their so-called single sex spaces, or admit they only operate mixed sex spaces.

Carlotta Wed 16-Apr-25 11:08:36

This is wonderful news for all women, especially those referred to as extremists by a previous poster! 😂 I'm hoping that nurses Sandie Peggie and Jennifer Melle are feeling buoyant and optimistic about their forthcoming tribunal hearings and that NHS Fife and Epsom and St Helier University Hospitals are running around like a headless chicken wondering how to extricate themselves from the mire it dug themselves into on behalf of men.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 16-Apr-25 11:10:55

silverlining48

I didn’t know about this so read the link and hope the Scottish Supreme Court will do the right thing and protect women’s rights.

They have!

Sex is binary. Years long battle in Scotland. Good.
Mind you they’ll probably pursue in the English Courts now!

Smileless2012 Wed 16-Apr-25 11:10:56

How can the ruling possibly go against them now Carlotta?

Galaxy Wed 16-Apr-25 11:12:22

No it is the supreme Court there is no right to appeal.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 16-Apr-25 11:14:33

Excellent then! 🎉

Galaxy Wed 16-Apr-25 11:16:18

Or that is my understanding FGT. However so far I have predicted a win for Kamala, and a loss for the feminists today. So you know treat my advice with caution smile

Rosie51 Wed 16-Apr-25 11:17:34

This judgement has been made by the Supreme Court of the UK located opposite the HOP. There is no higher court in the UK, they cannot pursue it further here.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 16-Apr-25 11:17:45

😂
Someone with better brains than us will know Galaxy!

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 16-Apr-25 11:18:43

Thank you Rosie51. A great (sensible) day then. A wise judgement.

Allira Wed 16-Apr-25 11:21:17

Rosie51

PoliticsNerd

OldFrill

This link explains why the case has reached the UK Supreme court and the implications of any judgement

It's far more than safe spaces for women
sexmatters.org/posts/updates/will-the-supreme-court-protect-womens-rights/

My tablet is denying access to that site. I think that may well tell me all I want to know about the article.

The Supreme Court judge who read out the judgement mentioned the sex matters organisation, so I'm afraid your tablet may be being a tyrannical bigot.

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/its-a-win/

I think the link posted by OldFrill may have a typo in it (no hyphen), but yours works, Rosie51

Try Rosie51's link, PoliticsNerd. It worked on my tablet.

Ilovecheese Wed 16-Apr-25 11:29:24

The judgement is on the BBC news website.

Ilovecheese Wed 16-Apr-25 11:30:54

Here is the summary:

The UK Supreme Court rules that the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex

Judges say the "concept of sex is binary" while cautioning that the landmark ruling should not be seen as victory of one side over another

Transgender people still have legal protection from discrimination, the court adds - read the full 88-page judgement here

The Scottish government had argued that transgender people with a gender recognition certificate (GRC) are entitled to sex-based protections, while For Women Scotland argued they only apply to people that are born female

The ruling brings "clarity and confidence" for women, and services such as hospitals, refuges, and sports clubs, a UK government spokesperson says

Rosie51 Wed 16-Apr-25 11:41:30

I've copied this over from X. There are so many implications from this ruling.

Colin Wynter KC
@QcWynter
Final point. Once the Supreme Court has ruled, its decision states what the law has always been, not what it should be from date of judgment onwards.
This has implications for cases concluded, cases currently being fought, employers' trans access policies & lots more.
Huge.

Carlotta Wed 16-Apr-25 11:42:46

There is an obsession with toilets on GN. Is it because we sre all getting to a "difficult" stage of life?

Possibly. But there's a greater obsession with privacy, respect, dignity, fairness in sports, safety and women's choices. Way back when women were fighting for their own place in the world, they fought for their own spaces; they didn't demand that men gave up their space; they fought for their own. Men who think they're women have simply demanded that women give up those spaces, move over and make room for them, instead of fighting, like women did, for their own. I'd have expected a politics nerd to have been able to recognise that.

Rosie51 Wed 16-Apr-25 11:48:40

Well said Carlotta it's always been about so much more than toilets but the transactivists have always tried to reduce it down to "we just want to pee". When transactivists compare to gay rights the same arguments can be made, gay rights never took away from others or impacted on them they just afforded justified equality.

Allira Wed 16-Apr-25 11:49:36

Well said Carlotta

Smileless2012 Wed 16-Apr-25 11:59:07

Great post Carlotta.

Mollygo Wed 16-Apr-25 12:01:37

Well said Carlotta

Rosie51
Good point about the difference between gay rights and those demanded by trans.

The actions of some trans have impacted badly on both gays and lesbians.

Carlotta Wed 16-Apr-25 12:05:47

Thank you Allira and Rosie51. I always find reductive statements on this subject like obsession with toilets or obsessed with what's in people's pants as a good indicator that they've got no more cogent argument to offer but don't have the self respect or dignity to admit that they're wrong. It matters not!

TerriBull Wed 16-Apr-25 12:08:55

Just wondering if our PM still holds the view that a tiny minority of women can have a penis hmmThat always sounded so contradictory, so wrong, just so down the rabbit hole of nonsense, in fact that full Humpty Dumpty rationale of "when I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more or less" I think it's sad when anyone feels they have to bow to the pressure of whatever the zeitgeist of the moment is, if that lacks logic and sense and causes not only confusion but potential dangers.