Will the Supreme Court protect Women's Rights?

Luminance

In some circles there are a lot of concerns about how trans men will be impacted by this. According to the ruling they can be excluded from men's facilities or wards. This may mean they are excluded from women's safe spaces too because of their appearance. It may cause all sorts of issues if people see someone who appears male walking into a woman's facilities. How on earth the NHS, refuges and trans men themselves are supposed to overcome that I don't know. A whole section of biological women will not be able to enter safe spaces where their appearance may make other biological women feel uncomfortable. Quite a quandary I feel. How could this be resolved?

This could be resolved by having third spaces, the question is if that would be acceptable to transmen.

This is an issue that won't go away. Of necessity, discussion and measures have been taken to protect womens spaces but the logic of only assessing spaces related to birth sex as I've queried on another thread is for example the effect for all of having apparent men on womens wards.

Whether is acceptable or not we have to provide third or neutral spaces or we have nothing to point trans people towards in terms of "well, this what you can use.

Yes I believe this has to happen too and many people do feel more comfortable in a secure space than on a ward. I remember the days that a room was a paid for privilege too well. It will not happen over night but in due time.

I think that most people would much prefer to be in a single room than on a ward. I certainly would - the thought of being on a ward fills me with dread.

My understanding is that nurses don’t like them, as they can’t see if someone has fallen, and have to do more deliberate checks on patients who can’t be watched from a central point.

Doodledog

I think that most people would much prefer to be in a single room than on a ward. I certainly would - the thought of being on a ward fills me with dread.

My understanding is that nurses don’t like them, as they can’t see if someone has fallen, and have to do more deliberate checks on patients who can’t be watched from a central point.

I certainly did, Doodledog - it was a twist of fate that in my last bowel op it was found I had very very mild MRSA and a single room.

It's a really difficult one as the old style big wards (which allowed for easier observation) have been being replaced by 4 room bays in large overall wards for some time.

Which hopefully will reduce the dilemmas around trans care as well as other special needs .

I've seen newer designs where the 4 bed bays have semi walled divisions not just curtains.

It's all resources tho, isnt it? Our local biggest hospital is still using the old 12 to 14 bed wards. Yet some people like them, having lots going on and people close by.

I was in a mixed sex ward when I had a Subarachnoid hemorrhage with no problems whatsoever, near to the main desk and my privacy respected absolutely; I was moved after several days to a side ward, women only, and for two hours to a private room which had to be given up for a child.
When I had a slight stroke 7 years I was in a more modern ward like a very long corridor which was not comfortable at all, with much through traffic and no apparent boundaries. During my three day stay I was in three different wards , plus the recovery ward. Not restful at all.
However, the care was excellent both times and that is what counts.

In 1980 (yes, a long time ago), my husband was in a mixed sex ward - with bays - also recovering from a subarachnoid hemorrhage, easybee. In his confused state he would wander back from the bathroom stark naked. Also, occasionally he would go to the wrong bay and climb into an empty bed convinced it was his. One elderly lady was terrified when she came back from the loo.
(He was so much trouble they sent him home well before they should have).