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Will the Supreme Court protect Women's Rights?

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OldFrill Tue 15-Apr-25 13:48:53

Judgement is due tomorrow Wed 16 April.
The link explains the history, the options and the implications.

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/will-the-supreme-court-protect-womens-rights/

Rosie51 Sat 19-Apr-25 15:30:27

Harriet Harman who helped bring the Equality Act into being has confirmed that yes she always intended that the category sex meant biological sex. Shame she didn't think to confirm this the first time Stonewall said it wasn't eh? Might have stopped this whole shambles before it gained momentum.

OldFrill Sat 19-Apr-25 15:38:28

Harriet Harman X "The Supreme Court ruling correctly interprets the Equality Act, giving effect to our intention when drafting it. Single sex spaces for women are important & can exclude trans women but only where necessary. The Act, & ruling, protects rights of women while also respecting the rights of trans women."

"But can exclude trans women - but only when necessary"

Think she's re-writing the Act

Galaxy Sat 19-Apr-25 15:41:35

I can't describe how useless she is. The responses to her tweet are to the point.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sat 19-Apr-25 16:04:19

Harriet Harman … 😮

Mollygo Sat 19-Apr-25 16:34:28

OldFrill, thanks for that quote.
Harriet Harman is unbelievable.

I can immediately see some who will decide
necessary for themselves and carry on as before.

Doodledog Sat 19-Apr-25 16:46:30

That's what we used to be told on here, isn't it? That TW could be excluded but only if it could bee proved that their presence at an event (eg a Lesbian speed-dating evening) would deter women. Quite how that could be proved and to whom was never made clear - there was usually some nonsense about checking what is in their pants to divert from the idiocy of the idea that it is impossible to prove who would have come to something when they are not there.

eazybee Sat 19-Apr-25 19:59:46

So this Harriet Harman is the same as the one who was being touted as suitable for the top post at ECHR nine months ago.
No wonder Starmer is chary of making a statement about the ruling.

Syracute Sat 19-Apr-25 23:55:24

Mollgo it’s extremely RUDE to call me an it as in your comment “itself” just because I have an opposing view . This thread a the other is just an echo chamber for hate and ugliness .

Mollygo Sun 20-Apr-25 02:12:43

Syracute

Mollgo it’s extremely RUDE to call me an it as in your comment “itself” just because I have an opposing view . This thread a the other is just an echo chamber for hate and ugliness .

Syracute I find your ability to misspell my name equally rude.
There are opposing points of view, but unless you’re claiming you post with hate, there is no hate and ugliness on either of these threads, except perhaps where people are praising the behaviour of TRA in Parliament Square.

ViceVersa Sun 20-Apr-25 08:07:17

Indeed, where is all this 'hate' that you keep accusing everyone of perpetrating?

Smileless2012 Sun 20-Apr-25 08:32:40

Any hate and ugliness was in full view during those demonstrations where the statues of women who fought for the rights for women were defaced Syracute.

They are the ones perpetrating hate.

Galaxy Sun 20-Apr-25 08:38:51

It wasn't just defacing statues it was violent threats. I think we just continue to act through the law and report all those instances.

Smileless2012 Sun 20-Apr-25 08:41:16

And hope that the full force of the law comes down on the perpetrators Galaxy.

Doodledog Sun 20-Apr-25 10:58:31

Smileless2012

And hope that the full force of the law comes down on the perpetrators Galaxy.

The action that is(or is not) taken over this will be a good indicator of what we can expect in future.

Galaxy Sun 20-Apr-25 11:17:39

Well the protest has already been a good indicator as to which organisations and political parties support misogyny.

Doodledog Sun 20-Apr-25 11:31:50

Yes, but by 'action' I meant the way they are policed and what happens in court if things get there.

Galaxy Sun 20-Apr-25 12:02:24

Yes I agree. As far as I can see online ( not the most reliable source I admit) some reports have been made to the police.

Mollygo Sun 20-Apr-25 12:03:41

The way they are policed and what happens in court if things get there

A very important consideration.
Will they be taken to court, or will it be ignored to avoid fear of being called transphobic?

Smileless2012 Sun 20-Apr-25 13:18:58

What a terrifying thought, that being trans provides someone with a 'get out of jail free' card.

Allira Sun 20-Apr-25 13:43:02

Smileless2012

What a terrifying thought, that being trans provides someone with a 'get out of jail free' card.

I just posted on the other thread:

Strange, isn't it, that the nurse who was subjected to racial hatred was the one who lost her job.

Smileless2012 Sun 20-Apr-25 13:44:45

Strange and sickening Allira angry.

mabon1 Sun 20-Apr-25 13:45:22

There is a huge difference between trans and LGBTQ+ and trans.

Smileless2012 Sun 20-Apr-25 13:48:18

Sorry mabon I don't understand what point you're making.

Allira Sun 20-Apr-25 13:48:47

Scrawled on a stayue:

"Trans Rights are Human Rights"
No-one would deny human rights to transgender people, would they?

Women's Rights are Human Rights too.

What is the definition according to Transactivists?

Doodledog Sun 20-Apr-25 13:54:04

mabon1

There is a huge difference between trans and LGBTQ+ and trans.

There is a difference between LGB and 'TQ+', but it suited Stonewall to include the T (which is for Trans, so is part of LGBTQ+) as they had achieved their objectives for LGB people, and risked redundancy.