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Israel to "conquer" Gaza

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Wyllow3 Mon 05-May-25 23:49:58

"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the population of Gaza will be displaced to the south after his security cabinet approved an expanded military operation in the enclave that a minister described as a plan to “conquer” the territory.

The vote on Sunday came hours after the military said it would mobilize tens of thousands of reservists, strengthening its capacity to operate in the besieged Palestinian territory.

“One thing will be clear: there will be no in-and-out,” Netanyahu said in a Monday video message posted on X. “We’ll call up reserves to come, hold territory — we’re not going to enter and then exit the area, only to carry out raids afterward. That’s not the plan. The intention is the opposite.”

The plan would be implemented after US President Donald Trump’s visit to the Middle East next week to “provide a window of opportunity” for a hostage deal, the official added

"The plan then, is to displace Gaza’s entire population to the south of the enclave, following which the total the blockade of humanitarian aid may be lifted, the official said, adding that the military “will remain in every area it captures.”"

edition.cnn.com/2025/05/05/middleeast/israel-gaza-expansion-hnk-intl

Wyllow3 Sat 10-May-25 21:05:51

They've been spoken of since October 23. In thread after thread.

Unicef report, 2nd May, 2025, on the situation for children in the Gaza Strip after two months of aid blockade.
No paywall or cookies.

www.unicef.org/press-releases/statement-unicef-executive-director-catherine-russell-situation-children-gaza-strip

What is proposed for a ghetto in the South of Gaza is unprecedented and as described above for 2.1 million people.

Anniebach Sat 10-May-25 21:11:08

How come such healthy men

Wyllow3 Sat 10-May-25 22:27:14

I'm very concerned for the best outcomes ahead for those who *all who live in the area and feel that the plans to move all to the South is going to make it worse and hostilities get worse not better for the reasons I took the trouble to look up,

we have to look to the future.

growstuff Sat 10-May-25 22:48:34

Iam64

I don’t appreciate the way what’s happening to the Palestinians is often glibly compared to the Holocaust.

Reading about the plans though, remind me if reading about the Warsaw Ghetto in Ww2. It’s shameful, shocking and completely wrong on every level.

How the Gaza Health Ministry is supposed to operate is beyond my creative thinking abilities

The parallels with the Warsaw Ghetto are chilling.

Anniebach Sat 10-May-25 23:25:46

Hamas is the Gaza health ministry

David49 Sun 11-May-25 05:51:00

The only way that this siege is going to work is if non combatants are allowed out of the siege area and cared for properly, it can’t be a closed ghetto area. Identifying individuals doesn’t work because they can just hand food on to others.

Iam64 Sun 11-May-25 08:01:06

Yes and how it is supposed to function?

foxie48 Sun 11-May-25 08:16:23

I can't think of a single country where it's been possible to kill every terrorist but I can think of many that have peace thanks to negotiations. Why does anyone think Gaza is different?

Anniebach Sun 11-May-25 08:27:32

Which of the may countries found peace with negotiations with terrorists ?

Nandalot Sun 11-May-25 09:08:39

Hamas and the abominable taking of hostages cannot be justified but neither can what is happening right now in Gaza.
This article in the Guardian shows just how the innocent are suffering.
www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza?utm_term=682040665936e4aee9bd92ff55969251&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email

Anniebach Sun 11-May-25 09:17:00

More mothers and children, only mothers and children

Whitewavemark2 Sun 11-May-25 09:18:20

Anniebach

Which of the may countries found peace with negotiations with terrorists ?

Remember Mandela?

Anniebach Sun 11-May-25 09:31:33

Quote Whitewavemark2 Sun 11-May-25 09:18:20
Anniebach
Which of the may countries found peace with negotiations with terrorists ?
Remember Mandela?

I knew Mandela would be named, I was invited to tea with
Arch Bishop Desmond TuTu when he came to Wales and thanked people for their support for Nelson Mandela, he spoke of Mandela crimes for which he was sentenced to life, no mention of rape, sexual abuse of tinies taken from their cribs,
smashing babies against walls, locking people in their homes and setting fire to them.

You compare Mandela with that, do excuse me I need to cry from despair

Whitewavemark2 Sun 11-May-25 09:52:38

Whatever the world thinks of Mandela now, be in no doubt that he was once classed as a terrorist (remember the “brace letting” the bombs and other violence?) and member of the military ANC and imprisoned for most of his life with no pushback from many governments.

What I say is that the violence in SA only ended when the NP began to recognise that the blacks had as much rights as the whites and overlooked the violence.

Until the Israelis come to the table, accept that the Palestinians have rights this will never end.

The fact that many Israelis look upon the Palestinians as less than human and are now planning to ghettoise them speaks volumes to me.

Anniebach Sun 11-May-25 10:06:21

How can I not be in doubt when I read your posts. which academic have you been following re S.A.?
Pass

Wyllow3 Sun 11-May-25 10:32:45

I think WWM was just giving us an example of where "swords turned into ploughshares"

Yes, Mandela was one of the founding members of the military wing of the ANC, when the situation was beyond desperate for his people,

but he was also the one years later who persuaded them - with other peacemakers like Tutu

to disband the military wing of the ANC during the ending of apartheid and instead of the killings continuing set up the Peace and Reconciliation Committees

Its all in here
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMkhonto_weSizwe

Where the only option is to come to the table to stop this escalation

Whitewavemark2 Sun 11-May-25 10:41:55

Anniebach

How can I not be in doubt when I read your posts. which academic have you been following re S.A.?
Pass

That relates to what I read at University. So that is from my own knowledge.

So no need to pass.

Anniebach Sun 11-May-25 10:44:56

I spend too much time here, I just knew Mandela would be first
to be mentioned, and you Wyllow next with a link,
mmmm, Wikipedia or Desmond Tutu,! no problem

Wyllow3 Sun 11-May-25 11:03:40

As I said, the interest was how "swords can be turned into ploughshares".

Perhaps its best to return to discussions on the proposed creation of the enclave in Gaza and its consequences if it goes ahead for those trapped in it - and for those creating it - that surely, there have to be better ways ahead.

Allira Sun 11-May-25 11:05:03

Anniebach

Quote Whitewavemark2 Sun 11-May-25 09:18:20
Anniebach
Which of the may countries found peace with negotiations with terrorists ?
Remember Mandela?

I knew Mandela would be named, I was invited to tea with
Arch Bishop Desmond TuTu when he came to Wales and thanked people for their support for Nelson Mandela, he spoke of Mandela crimes for which he was sentenced to life, no mention of rape, sexual abuse of tinies taken from their cribs,
smashing babies against walls, locking people in their homes and setting fire to them.

You compare Mandela with that, do excuse me I need to cry from despair

I agree Anniebach.

Sabotage against the government of the time was a crime for which Mandela was imprisoned but bear no relation to the medieval acts committed by Hamas operatives (who were high on drugs, so it was reported).

To speak of both in the same breath as if they bear comparison is enough to make anyone cry from despair.

I met Desmond Tutu as well but was a child at the time and did not appreciate the significance of it.

Anniebach Sun 11-May-25 11:07:00

The accusation was Mandela = Hamas,

Whitewavemark2 Sun 11-May-25 11:07:05

I am not comparing and contrasting😀😀

I am as wyllow says arguing for swords etc.

Wyllow3 Sun 11-May-25 11:14:10

As I said, my POV is certainly not that a direct comparison of circumstances can be made: I have the same enduring love and respect for Mandela and Tutu as I have always have:

But that peace was wrought in SA eventually by talking, not armed conflict and that this applies in trying to prevent the extreme solution proposed as in the O/P.

Anniebach Sun 11-May-25 11:16:01

agree Anniebach.

Sabotage against the government of the time was a crime for which Mandela was imprisoned but bear no relation to the medieval acts committed by Hamas operatives (who were high on drugs, so it was reported).

To speak of both in the same breath as if they bear comparison is enough to make anyone cry from despair.

I met Desmond Tutu as well but was a child at the time and did not appreciate the significance of it.

Thank you Allira, I did think someone would used Mandela,
same happened in a thread on N.Ireland. It still distressed me,

AGAA4 Sun 11-May-25 11:18:03

I do understand. Mandela put down his sword and argued for peace. Very noble but I doubt Hamas will follow suit or Netanyahu.
I can't see peace there for a long time. Possibly if Netanyahu loses the election next year but even then a lot of damage has been done.

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