Israel to "conquer" Gaza

David49

foxie48

David what can you tell us about MI6 or the CIA or is it just Mossad that you know so much about? Mossad reports directly and only to the Prime Minister of Israel, does that mean you are Netanyahu?????
Sorry if I'm being rather rude to you but you speak with such authority and rarely if ever support your information with a source.

You can be a rude as you wish, if you are so naive to believe that it was all planned by Israel, there is no hope for you. It’s well known that Hamas simply killed anyone that they had the slightest suspicion of being an Israeli agent. The only intelligence was satellite and what they could see and hear from outside
Mossad is every bit as ruthless as the CIA together they did a pretty good job infiltrating Hezbollah in Lebanon.
MI6 is busy enough keeping track of terrorists in the UK

Gaza is a much smaller area than the UK and its borders were controlled. You cannot compare Mossad with MI6. The population of Gaza and the West Bank is much smaller than that of the UK too.

It really is naive to think that Hamas has destroyed all Israeli intelligence sources.

Nevertheless, I have never accused Netanyahu of some kind of conspiracy. I don't think even he would be so duplicitous as to "allow" the murder of so many of Israel's own citizens.

Netanyahu knew very well that Qatar and Iran were funding Gaza and I do believe that he turned a blind eye because the real goal was the West Bank. He's on record as saying that he thought those who have had land stolen by settlers would fight back at some stage and he thought allowing support into Gaza would keep Gazans pacified. He wanted to drive a wedge between Hamas and Fatah. There were those within Israel who didn't agree with his strategy - and that's on record too, if you search for it.

Netanyahu is not stupid. He has spoken often enough of the threats to Israel posed by Palestinians. There must have been a very strong suspicion that there would be some kind of attack at some stage. I have never claimed that he knew the precise date and place of an attack, but he must have had contingency plans in place. If he didn't (and especially considering how much Israel spends on defence and intelligence), he and his military advisers have been grossly incompetent.

Wyllow3 I'm absolutely with you on this. There are bad people in Gaza and bad people in Israel but most are just people like you and me who want to live a peaceful life. For there to be a long term two state solution, there has to be a degree of fairness for both Palestinians and Israelis. I also don't want to see Israel destroyed anymore than I want to see Gaza taken over by Israel.

Its coming up in other sources in the news Foxie.

Even Fox News

"Trump strains relationship with Netanyahu as Middle East policy increasingly isolates Israel"

growstuff

Maremia

That's an interesting point foxie48.
If the Israeli surveillance teams do not have intelligence on the ground in Gaza, how do they know, and declare with such confidence, that those hospitals, schools and refugee tented areas, they persistently bomb and destroy, are genuine Hamas targets?

Good point!

You really dont know!.

Israel monitors communications, use surveillance drones, satellite images, infrared at night, just like the drones that are being used in Ukraine.

Because the only weapon Hamas has got is propaganda more deaths helps their cause, they are ruthless enough to deliberately give Israel the target, always a hospital or school. They dont care how many die they are all martyrs.

David, Gazan's are not all Hamas. Do we have to outline the suffering of innocents all over again and how ordinary people care about their mums and dads and children and only desire to live ordinary lives? Shame on you.

Trump will not abandon Israel. He may be a bit fed-up with Netanyahu & feeling very pleased with his reception in the arab states at the moment, but that won't last much past his next round of golf.
I surely don't want to see Israel destroyed or in a permanently beleaguered position, but I'm far more worried for the Gazans & the West Bank Palestinians currently.

I think they are connected. Netanyahu was waiting to see Trump before enacting the ghetto plan and the availability of aid was tied up with US distribution. Not that I was happy with this option but what instead.

Gary Lineker has apologised for a vile antisemitic insult which had been used in Nazi Germany he posted on Instagram,
There are cries for the BBC to sack him. Even in this country
Jews must be so fearful, one cannot imagine what Israelis feel.

Spain to stop trading with Israel.

The Italian opposition made a powerful speech yesterday in the Italian parliament condemning Israel, which got a standing ovation.

Wyllow3

*David*, Gazan's are not all Hamas. Do we have to outline the suffering of innocents all over again and how ordinary people care about their mums and dads and children and only desire to live ordinary lives? Shame on you.

What’s that all about?
David49 was saying that hamas don’t care if Gazans die which is absolutely true.

valdavi

Trump will not abandon Israel. He may be a bit fed-up with Netanyahu & feeling very pleased with his reception in the arab states at the moment, but that won't last much past his next round of golf.
I surely don't want to see Israel destroyed or in a permanently beleaguered position, but I'm far more worried for the Gazans & the West Bank Palestinians currently.

Where did the idea on here that Israel could be destroyed come from? It’s nonsense.
As for any sanctions from Spain or hot air from Italy that won’t worry them.
The present ban on food aid was a last ditch attempt to get the Gazans to turn on hamas, or hamas to realise that it’s over for them and to release the hostages.
Hopefully the aid will get there soon now.

Anniebach

Gary Lineker has apologised for a vile antisemitic insult which had been used in Nazi Germany he posted on Instagram,
There are cries for the BBC to sack him. Even in this country
Jews must be so fearful, one cannot imagine what Israelis feel.

Lineker has done the usual ‘apologise unreservedly’ thing so it’s alright
All done in total innocence of course according to him.

Quote Oreo Thu 15-May-25 07:42:16
Anniebach
Gary Lineker has apologised for a vile antisemitic insult which had been used in Nazi Germany he posted on Instagram,
There are cries for the BBC to sack him. Even in this country
Jews must be so fearful, one cannot imagine what Israelis feel
.
Lineker has done the usual ‘apologise unreservedly’ thing so it’s alright hmm
All done in total innocence of course according to him.

Coincidence he chose a rat to demonstrate his thoughts of Jews, no matter he has caused distress

It isn’t about the actuality of what countries like Spain and Italy are doing, it is all about the change in the zeitgeist - people will never support genocide.

Never again !

Lengthy article in the Times of Jerusalem this morning about Israel's deteriorating relationship with the US and Trump's visit to the Middle East. No pay wall, anyone can read it just a bit more effort than a quick "put down" and much more informative. Israelis are genuinely concerned, Israel relies on the US for military support and money , that's what keeps Israel viable whilst surrounded by hostile countries. Trump is changing the balance and it's not clear what the future might hold!

Israel would not exist without USA help.

There must be much hope in the air then , not in Israel

I'm beginning to find it quite offensive, even worrying, the way the Hamas apologists on here appear to rub their hands with glee every time they can find an anti-Israel snippet to get excited about.

They must spend all day trawling the internet for any quote or any article from anyone and everywhere to satisfy their desire to bad mouth Israel.

A lot of rhetoric instructing all of us "dimwits" here about the difference between Israel and Jews, Hamas and Palestinians, and accusing more measured posters of being wrong all the time. Because clearly they have way more insider knowledge. In fact, some of them have lots of Jewish friends! Well, they must be right then.

Offensive, patronising and supercilious.

I was so offended , so distressed when I read a post earlier this
week saying “many Isrealis look on Palestinians as less than
human,”
Yet you are offended by posts speaking of antisemitism
which is raging on social media

There are no Hamas apologists on here ferry and if my condemnation of the slaughter that's happening in Gazza is regarded by some as bad mouthing Israel then so be it.

I'd rather be seen like that then someone who thinks that what Israel is doing is justified.

"I'm beginning to find it quite offensive, even worrying, the way the Hamas apologists on here appear to rub their hands with glee every time they can find an anti-Israel snippet to get excited about."

Please can you post anything that you think is by "Hamas apologists" and report any offensive posts. I haven't seen any and I have read every post on this thread. Quite the contrary actually!
Wed 14-May-25 19:47:21"For there to be a long term two state solution, there has to be a degree of fairness for both Palestinians and Israelis. I also don't want to see Israel destroyed anymore than I want to see Gaza taken over by Israel."

I will never support a state that uses genocide as one of it’s war tools.

Do I think that Israel has a right to exist as a sovereign state - absolutely.

Do I think that Palestine should be given the right to exist as a sovereign country - absolutely.

My argument is entirely with the far right Netanyahu government and its policies, which I think have been an utter disaster for the Israelis and the region as a whole. Some of the rhetoric by this government has been absolutely beyond the pale and no better than some of the rhetoric from Hamas, for example - “ Deputy speaker Vaturi described Palestinians in Gaza as “subhuman”, adding that no one in the world wants them.
He added that children and women should be separated, and adults should be killed.”
Smotrich has also called for all Palestinian prisoners to be killed

That is why I have so much trouble with this Israeli government.

But that does not mean that I support Hamas - but I have posted my thoughts on that upthread, so it is isn’t necessary to say what I think again.

Whitewave would you tell more about your statement
“Many Israelis look on Palestinians as less than human”
Thank you

Well there is nothing more to add really. It says just that.

If you want to know here this attitude emanated look at my previous post. Then look at the extreme settlers and listen to what they say.

It is a disaster for ordinary Israelis and Palestinians who want nothing more than most people to live their life in peace and bring up their children in a world that respects everyone regardless of faith or nationality.