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Israel to "conquer" Gaza

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Wyllow3 Mon 05-May-25 23:49:58

"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the population of Gaza will be displaced to the south after his security cabinet approved an expanded military operation in the enclave that a minister described as a plan to “conquer” the territory.

The vote on Sunday came hours after the military said it would mobilize tens of thousands of reservists, strengthening its capacity to operate in the besieged Palestinian territory.

“One thing will be clear: there will be no in-and-out,” Netanyahu said in a Monday video message posted on X. “We’ll call up reserves to come, hold territory — we’re not going to enter and then exit the area, only to carry out raids afterward. That’s not the plan. The intention is the opposite.”

The plan would be implemented after US President Donald Trump’s visit to the Middle East next week to “provide a window of opportunity” for a hostage deal, the official added

"The plan then, is to displace Gaza’s entire population to the south of the enclave, following which the total the blockade of humanitarian aid may be lifted, the official said, adding that the military “will remain in every area it captures.”"

edition.cnn.com/2025/05/05/middleeast/israel-gaza-expansion-hnk-intl

Wyllow3 Sat 17-May-25 21:13:01

Anniebach

‘If you don’t agree to our terms we will grow more powerful’

What do you mean by that?

David49 Sun 18-May-25 07:49:31

It has been a 100yrs war already the Palestinians have been fighting the Jews ever since the Ottomans were kicked out in 1920.
Unless there a decisive conclusion they will be fighting for the next 100 yrs

foxie48 Sun 18-May-25 08:45:04

Bit of a simplification David as the Ottoman's were actually "kicked out" in 2018 having sided with German in WW1 but for over 400 years Arabs and Jews had lived side by side with very few issues until the western world got involved, particularly but not exclusively, the British. The 1920 Palestinian riots were sparked by Arab fear over the level of Zionist immigration and what that might mean for Arabs already living there. They weren't wrong, were they? This, of course, predates the Holocaust. Loads on the internet about the period between the two world wars for anyone who wants to understand this conflict.

AGAA4 Sun 18-May-25 09:10:57

The British army were in charge in Palestine in 1920. Over the next 20 years 100,000 Jews moved into the country causing riots over the years.

ronib Sun 18-May-25 09:55:00

foxie48 you do mean 1917 and not 2018?

AGAA4 Sun 18-May-25 10:16:49

ronib

foxie48 you do mean 1917 and not 2018?

The British Army entered Palestine in 1917 and by 1918 the Ottomans were defeated.

foxie48 Sun 18-May-25 10:22:16

yes, obviously as I mention WW1 and WW2, should have previewed before sending! Sorry if anyone thought I really meant 2018!

Wyllow3 Sun 18-May-25 10:33:07

Hamas has proposed releasing more hostages under a new Gaza ceasefire deal, after new negotiations were held on Saturday. The talks began hours after Israel's military launched a major new offensive in the Gaza Strip.

Hamas has agreed to release nine hostages in exchange for a 60-day truce and Israel releasing Palestinian prisoners, a Palestinian official told the BBC.

The official said the new proposed deal would also allow the entry of 400 aid trucks a day, and the evacuation of medical patients from Gaza.

Israel, in turn, has demanded proof of life and detailed information about all remaining hostages but has yet to respond to the deal.

The Israeli government has repeatedly rejected claims there is a food shortage in Gaza.

foxie48 Sun 18-May-25 10:38:08

There's a very interesting interview with Sir Alex Younger, ex head of MI6 on Leading podcast (Trip). He does not believe Israel can remove Hamas by military action, says it needs to be by political negotiation. He also thinks if there is an election in Israel, Netanyahu will be removed as PM.

Eloethan Sun 18-May-25 11:03:29

It is totally sickening. The world stands by as a whole group of people are slaughtered or starved and exiled.

AGAA4 Sun 18-May-25 11:07:41

Eloethan

It is totally sickening. The world stands by as a whole group of people are slaughtered or starved and exiled.

A doctor on LK today said that countries that stand by and do nothing are complicit in genocide.
She has worked in Gaza and seen the starvation.

foxie48 Sun 18-May-25 11:24:22

Israel was recently described on here as a pariah state, it's certainly becoming one but usually pariah states have countries like the UK, US, France etc issuing sanctions against them. This has not happened with Israel, there's been a few sanctions against individuas and extreme groups in Israel, mainly to do with Settler violence, but nothing that tells the Israeli govt that it is behaving outside the law in Gaza although I think it is now generally accepted that it is because many countries have voted in favour of UN motions.

Galaxy Sun 18-May-25 11:27:42

It isn't a pariah state, that is what some loud voices think, the public think differently.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 18-May-25 11:32:20

Galaxy

It isn't a pariah state, that is what some loud voices think, the public think differently.

I would like to see what you are basing that statement on.

Smileless2012 Sun 18-May-25 11:40:00

Oreo there can be no conciliation with Netanyahu's government either, end of.

AGAA4 Sun 18-May-25 11:42:39

Israel is showing some of the criteria to becoming a pariah state. Contravening international law is one.

Anniebach Sun 18-May-25 11:50:06

Hamas seems to have much support, international law !

Galaxy Sun 18-May-25 11:55:15

It is the same as nearly every issue at the moment, the elite ( I hate that weird but can't think of a better descriptor) believe that they represent the views of the public, they are nearly always wrong.

Wyllow3 Sun 18-May-25 11:58:00

It's not Hamas getting the support, it's the fate of the people in Gaza and the West Bank. That is always made clear.

Anniebach Sun 18-May-25 12:00:50

Quote Wyllow3 Sun 18-May-25 11:58:00
It's not Hamas getting the support, it's the fate of the people in Gaza and the West Bank. That is always made clear.

Very clear, history repeating

Wyllow3 Sun 18-May-25 12:03:38

Reading what is going to be discussed at UK/EU talks this week, I see that the conflict is going to be discussed.

It is framed in terms of humanitarian aid reaching those in need - I do hope we see some clear not vague statements on this. We do after all pay into UN finds for humanitarian relief, and the US's plans for relief do not take account of the UN (its seeking to make the UN pay into the US scheme, which mayn't go down well with Europe)

AGAA4 Sun 18-May-25 12:05:23

Anniebach

Hamas seems to have much support, international law !

Hamas has no support on Gransnet and very little anywhere else.
Just because people don't want to see genocide happening in Gaza doesn't mean support for Hamas.

Oreo Sun 18-May-25 12:06:11

Galaxy

It isn't a pariah state, that is what some loud voices think, the public think differently.

Loud voices on SM mainly.
The public do think differently and so do Western governments.

Oreo Sun 18-May-25 12:08:30

There may be no support on GN for hamas tho as nobody dare declare it we will never know, but there is plenty of support for them from certain sections of society in just about every country.

Smileless2012 Sun 18-May-25 12:09:14

Discussions need to include the continuation of providing military aid to Israel Wyllow. What's the point of talking about humanitarian aid if there's not going to be anyone left alive?

What history (is) repeating Annie?

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