Israel to "conquer" Gaza

Quote Iam64 Thu 08-May-25 08:29:55
The points made by foxie48 are those that influenced me to watch Settlers. I’ve read about many American ultra orthodox settlers who are increasing in numbers as well as in their determination to rid Gaza of Palestinians.
They share the belief that they have a god given right to the land and that “the arabs” have none. Their disgusting bigoted views about Arab people are so deeply held and their influence on Netenyahu so great, peace seems a dream

Since its creation in December 1987, Hamas has invoked militant interpretations of Islam to spearhead a Sunni extremist movement committed to destroying Israel. Hamas distanced itself from the longstanding Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO)—an umbrella organization for disparate Palestinian factions that ranged from Marxist to secular nationalists—by propagating resistance in the religious context of jihad, or a holy struggle and martyrdom. “Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes,” Hamas said in its first statement in the late 1980s. Predominantly Shiite Iran has armed, trained and funded Hamas since the late 1980s largely due to its opposition to Israel and Islamic ideology.

Formed in 1987, won election to govern Gaza in 2007

Just like most media they have a biased agenda on many subjects, usually to make news more “dramatic”.
Whether you like that bias depends on your personal opinion of any situation, in the case of Gaza the bias is massively pro Hamas, repeating Hamas propaganda many times.

David49

Just like most media they have a biased agenda on many subjects, usually to make news more “dramatic”.
Whether you like that bias depends on your personal opinion of any situation, in the case of Gaza the bias is massively pro Hamas, repeating Hamas propaganda many times.

Gosh, that is quite a biased opinion david

No election till October 2026. A lot of damage could be caused and lives lost till then.

There was an election in 2022, yet it has been said here there was to be an election in 2024 but Netanyahu stopped it,

Quote Whitewavemark2 Wed 07-May-25 15:40:43
He should have called an election last year (?) and failed to do so because he knows that he will lose. He uses the excuse of perpetual war.

Netanyahu also awaits trial for corruption.

“Whitewave* please explain or give a link to the above,
term of office is 4 years, he won in 2022, thanks

Gantz called for an early election in 2024 on the basis that the Netanyahu government was held together with a coalition of minority groups that few Israelis had actually voted for. Israelis had been out on the street demanding an election and polls showed that Netanyahu would almost certainly lose control of the government. I think WWM might be thinking of that.

I have posted a link that explains the voting in the 2022 election, it's far too complex to paraphrase quickly and easily but is worth reading if you want to understand why many people might feel there should be an early election.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Israeli_legislative_election
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Israeli_legislative_election

Netanyahu refused ?

Read, thank you, so no dirty dealings,

Freya 5 - I would think the hostages are dead now for quite a while. Zionists have been perpetrating atrocities on Palestinians and the British (which is why we left) since they decided they wanted the land in the early 1900s.

This is a very shameful episode in the history of humanity.

I've read it and it shows the sheer complexities and breadth of opinion. Whether it represents the majority will of the people now is difficult one. There must be a whole range of view, some who support occupation of all Palestinian Territories to those opposed to expansion as they dont see it bringing peace.

Every week at the moment -information here from the Jerusalem Post - there are tens of thousands in Tel Aviv and other cities demonstrating because they feel the government is not interested in cease fire/hostage negotiations and they want a change in regime.
www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-852485

Amongst the demonstrators were former hostages
www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-852485

But clearly many support expansionism. I don't know more than anyone else how this can be resolved within Israel.

Meanwhile, Hamas has refused to engage in negotiations until the blockade on aid is ended and the threats of full occupation described in the O/P withdrawn. Why should a whole population accept a ghetto? There isn't a mechanism for the Palestinian voices who have had enough of Hamas and clearly fear to speak up. Their voices are valid too, but how to make them known?

Now Trump is to be involved again and it seems that his view will be congruent with the announced plans? I cant see any different.

I wish I had answers to these issues.

If they are dead Hamas allows families to keep hoping

JacquiG

Freya 5 - I would think the hostages are dead now for quite a while. Zionists have been perpetrating atrocities on Palestinians and the British (which is why we left) since they decided they wanted the land in the early 1900s.

This is a very shameful episode in the history of humanity.

Netanyahu and Trump are saying respectively that 24 and 21 hostages are still alive. Is this real information or a gambit? Guesses or back channels?

all heartbreaking.

Hamas could speak ?

There are large demonstrations planned this Saturday 10th May in several venues in the UK and I expect in other countries, also for silent vigils calling for ceasefire

Whitewavemark2

David49

Just like most media they have a biased agenda on many subjects, usually to make news more “dramatic”.
Whether you like that bias depends on your personal opinion of any situation, in the case of Gaza the bias is massively pro Hamas, repeating Hamas propaganda many times.

Gosh, that is quite a biased opinion david

It’s a fact not an opinion.The BBC won’t even call hamas a terrorist organisation, even after the terrible events of Oct 7th.
The BBC have also had to pull certain programmes over hamas biased footage.

Wyllow3

There are large demonstrations planned this Saturday 10th May in several venues in the UK and I expect in other countries, also for silent vigils calling for ceasefire

More pro Palestinian vandalism of statues I expect, along with antisemitic chanting and slogans.What a waste of police time.

Anniebach

Hamas could speak ?

I suspect both sides aren't "speaking" for their own reasons.

Speaking takes place runs a table or with negotiators and the latest announcements preclude negotiations? One can only hope but is Trump going in as peacemaker or enforcer?

Oreo

Wyllow3

There are large demonstrations planned this Saturday 10th May in several venues in the UK and I expect in other countries, also for silent vigils calling for ceasefire

More pro Palestinian vandalism of statues I expect, along with antisemitic chanting and slogans.What a waste of police time.

I sincerely hope not, since it's completely counter productive. Unfortunately a minority tries to grab publicity and those wanting a peaceful resolution get tarred with the same brush.

But now the issue has come to the point where a ghetto is planned and UK people have a right to have a voice.

Quote Oreo Thu 08-May-25 13:45:40
Wyllow3
There are large demonstrations planned this Saturday 10th May in several venues in the UK and I expect in other countries, also for silent vigils calling for ceasefire

More pro Palestinian vandalism of statues I expect, along with antisemitic chanting and slogans.What a waste of police time.

Blow up the Israeli Embassy ?

I think most of the protesters want what many of us on GN want and that is an end to the killing and suffering. For the Israeli families to have their loved ones back. For the Palestinians to have aid getting through and most of all to have an end to this terrible war.

Yes, but what of Hamas ? seems they are of no importance

And the media to include those voices too not just look for any shock horror type headlines.

Amos Goldberg an Israeli Professor of Holocaust Studies, with 30 years of research and teaching experience in the subject of 'Holocaust, genocide and state violence' tells us that what is happening in Gaza just now is a genocide. He goes on to say that right now we have mass denial in Israel and around the world.
You can catch his full statement on the Led By Donkeys video, to be found on Facebook.

AGAA4 yes, and such a poignant thought, as we celebrate the 80th anniversary of VE Day.