Lucy Connolly appeal Rejected

Casdon

Freya5

GrannyGravy13

Stephen Yaxley Lennon aka Tommy Robinson is to be released four months early from prison.

In my opinion he is more of a threat to society than Lucy Connolly.

Many think there is more of a threat to our society from others.

I imagine everybody without exception thinks that. That doesn’t mean either of these two should have more lenient sentences though.

Casdon my point was that Tommy Robinson’s reach is far wider than Lucy Connolly’s.

He has an ever growing following off and online.

I am not a legal expert.

I struggle to understand how the likes of Hugh Edwards walks free despite being found guilty of obscene images of children in his possession.

How the band KneeCap is walking free despite the lyrics of one of their songs advising people to find the nearest Conservative MP and murder them…

Freya5

GrannyGravy13

Stephen Yaxley Lennon aka Tommy Robinson is to be released four months early from prison.

In my opinion he is more of a threat to society than Lucy Connolly.

Many think there is more of a threat to our society from others.

Other what? other people who advocate burning houses with people inside?

I agree regarding Tommy Robinson GrannyGravy13. - although I believe in terms of the sentences being reduced, they have been treated the same. Lucy Connolly was seeking to further shorten her sentence, which was refused, but she will still be released early, as he was.

I think it’s difficult to draw parallels with other offences, other than other direct threats to kill.

I presume Huw Edwards sentence was commensurate with sentences for other people who commit similar crimes? Unfortunately viewing images of children as he did online is an everyday offence, horrible though I’m sure everybody agrees it was.

Kneecap are a very controversial Irish band, and what they had said about murdering MPs was on old footage, not said during their last UK appearance. I don’t condone what they said at all, but I’m not sure what form an arrest would take for something somebody said in their own country, in the past?

I don't think whether something is an everyday offence should be anything to do with sentencing.

Galaxy

I don't think whether something is an everyday offence should be anything to do with sentencing.

What I meant was there is plenty of precedent Galaxy. Sentences are benchmarked by the precedent.

I think a suspended sentence with added community service would have been a fair sentence for Lucy Connelly, the added penalty for her was all the public humiliation that went with it.
I further think that prison sentences were unnecessary for a few of the others at that time.
There’s so much talk within government and outside of it that believe the UK jails far too many people and this is an example of it in my view.

Yes but I think that demonstrates society's view on the safeguarding of children, I think the likes of Huw Edwards are much more dangerous than the likes of Lucy Connelly.

I also think those who support prison for a tweet are a little naive, it mwy not always be the speech they dislike, which will be illegal.
It's quite possible that we will have a reform government in the future, it might be worth wondering what speech they would want to control/ban.

Galaxy

Yes but I think that demonstrates society's view on the safeguarding of children, I think the likes of Huw Edwards are much more dangerous than the likes of Lucy Connelly.

I don’t disagree that sentences for sexual abuse of children should be higher, but I think that’s a different argument.

I don’t think that a value judgment between the two crimes has any value though - saying x is worse than y just excuses y, which is wrong - both are reprehensible and should receive punishment.

This is the full judgment and history of. It outlines the charges, and also outlines that they did very much take into consideration her personal circumstances.

There was no option for a non custodial sentence and in fact extenuating circumstances were taken into consideration with a psychiatrist report.

However, it reveals just how many racist posts she had made prior to Southport - read sections 1 to 12. they are disgusting outpouring of accusations of all migrants bing rapists etc.

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Lucy-Connolly-v-The-King.pdf

the punishment did fit the crimes.

The issue fir me isn't whether what she said was horrible, it's whether people want to live in a society where people go to prison for a tweet. I don't, people differ on that view.

Thanks for posting the Judgement Wyllow. It confirms she wasn’t sentenced on the basis of ‘one tweet’ alone. Inciting racial hatred and encouraging arson to places where people are living are serious offences. Arson has always been a very serious offence.

The punishment of sex offenders including peadophiles needs to reflect the lasting damage their offences cause. It’s lamentable that it doesn’t. That has no connection with the sentence Lucy Connolly was given

Galaxy

The issue fir me isn't whether what she said was horrible, it's whether people want to live in a society where people go to prison for a tweet. I don't, people differ on that view.

You’re right there, people do differ. Inciting racial hatred is a crime in my eyes however it is conveyed - and somebody with a lot of existing followers posting racial hatred on X when they know exactly what they are doing and they know it will be seen by many is beyond the pale.

Galaxy

The issue fir me isn't whether what she said was horrible, it's whether people want to live in a society where people go to prison for a tweet. I don't, people differ on that view.

Yes. I do want to live in a society where people go to prison for inciting murder, whatever the means - Tweet, written message, face to face or whatever.

It has a connection in terms of how we function as a society, in terms of, I don't how to express it, in terms of public morale, in terms of creating resentment, etc.
There were a number of posts on here a while back 'wishing' that the Trump shooter had been successful, is that incitement?, should those posters face the law? As I say it's OK when it is the speech you don't like which is prosecuted, but there is no guarantee of that.

A mild dig at those you disagree with is a very long way from saying you wish people dead and inciting others to carry out violent acts against them Galaxy. If somebody said they wished Trump dead I’d feel exactly the same, as I’m sure most of us would - saying that can’t be dressed up, it’s just completely wrong.

She deserved the sentence she got.

Casdon

A mild dig at those you disagree with is a very long way from saying you wish people dead and inciting others to carry out violent acts against them Galaxy. If somebody said they wished Trump dead I’d feel exactly the same, as I’m sure most of us would - saying that can’t be dressed up, it’s just completely wrong.

I can't say I'd shed any tears if Trump were to die, but I wouldn't incite others to murder him - and I definitely would condemn anybody who incited others to murder unconnected people who just happen to belong to the same "group".

growstuff

Galaxy

The issue fir me isn't whether what she said was horrible, it's whether people want to live in a society where people go to prison for a tweet. I don't, people differ on that view.

Yes. I do want to live in a society where people go to prison for inciting murder, whatever the means - Tweet, written message, face to face or whatever.

Yes, my POV.

Galaxy

The issue fir me isn't whether what she said was horrible, it's whether people want to live in a society where people go to prison for a tweet. I don't, people differ on that view.

How silly, it's not just a tweet,it was a volley of racist rhetoric, promoting burning peoples homes.

With them still inside.

Presumably her other tweets had nothing to do with suggesting that others set fire to migrant hotels?
Racial offensive tweets aren’t ( yet ) considered prison worthy.
Quite a few of the sentences handed down were very OTT in my opinion and we’re allowed to have different opinions on this I would hope.

For GrannyGravy13 regarding Kneecap - one of them has now been charged with a terrorist office regarding a concert in the UK last year.
news.sky.com/story/member-of-kneecap-charged-with-terror-offence-13369377

Oreo

Presumably her other tweets had nothing to do with suggesting that others set fire to migrant hotels?
Racial offensive tweets aren’t ( yet ) considered prison worthy.
Quite a few of the sentences handed down were very OTT in my opinion and we’re allowed to have different opinions on this I would hope.

The judge followed sentencing guidelines.

Oreo

Presumably her other tweets had nothing to do with suggesting that others set fire to migrant hotels?
Racial offensive tweets aren’t ( yet ) considered prison worthy.
Quite a few of the sentences handed down were very OTT in my opinion and we’re allowed to have different opinions on this I would hope.

For Oreo - she pleaded guilty to inciting racial hatred, which is covered by the prosecution guidance.
www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/racist-and-religious-hate-crime-prosecution-guidance