Boris and Carrie baby number 4!

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kjmpde

my comments are not about sour grapes due to politics, but in an overpopulated world , are we right to celebrate large families ?

Absolutely! Boris can probably afford this baby but the planet can’t.

Nonsense. The planet will be fine.

Carrie has four lovely children. That will never change. And no matter what, Boris will look after them financially. Good luck to them both.

Galaxy

'A baby is always a good thing. A man isn't always a good thing though' is probably my favourite sentence ever on GN.

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Baggs

Skydancer

kjmpde

my comments are not about sour grapes due to politics, but in an overpopulated world , are we right to celebrate large families ?

Absolutely! Boris can probably afford this baby but the planet can’t.

Nonsense. The planet will be fine.

It's all very well saying the world is over populated, but that needs to be qualified, certain parts of the world are. In the developed world people are not having enough children to regenerate. Here in the west, where birth rates have declined dramatically that will become/is a problem with an ever increasing ageing population.

escaped I think you are missing the point. All that was being suggested was that somehow being a male ex-Etonian with an Oxford degree seems to confer some sort of immunity from criticism for Boris Johnson. I don't think anybody said or even implied that all male ex-Eton/Oxford alumni behaved the same way.

TerriBull. The planet won’t be fine. It isn’t fine now. Human greed is destroying everything. We need far fewer people if the natural world is ever to recover. Birds, animals and plants are disappearing at an alarming rate. Anyone who thinks we need more people needs to wake up.

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Magenta8

escaped I think you are missing the point. All that was being suggested was that somehow being a male ex-Etonian with an Oxford degree seems to confer some sort of immunity from criticism for Boris Johnson. I don't think anybody said or even implied that all male ex-Eton/Oxford alumni behaved the same way.

Fair enough. I'm just putting paid to the often heard accusations on GN that the upper lot or those who went to Eton are emotionally stunted in terms of relationships - before anyone goes there! 😆

Skydancer

*TerriBull*. The planet won’t be fine. It isn’t fine now. Human greed is destroying everything. We need far fewer people if the natural world is ever to recover. Birds, animals and plants are disappearing at an alarming rate. Anyone who thinks we need more people needs to wake up.

Oh well in that case have a word with India firstly, then China and finally the US, the 3 most populous countries in the world and major consumers of the world's resources, not to mention polluters. How would you go about conveying that I wonder.

Actually I didn't say the world would be fine, that was Bags I said, "here in the developed world we are not having enough children to regenerate"

escaped

Magenta8

escaped I think you are missing the point. All that was being suggested was that somehow being a male ex-Etonian with an Oxford degree seems to confer some sort of immunity from criticism for Boris Johnson. I don't think anybody said or even implied that all male ex-Eton/Oxford alumni behaved the same way.

Fair enough. I'm just putting paid to the often heard accusations on GN that the upper lot or those who went to Eton are emotionally stunted in terms of relationships - before anyone goes there! 😆

I agree escaped. Those of us who went to Bash Street and whose only contact with Oxford is watching episodes of Morse are equally prone to be emotionally stunted.

It is a matter of temperament rather than class and education.

Maybe we don't need any more children in the western world.

We all know that the wealthy can afford to raise children to the age where they could get a job and not need any government benefits but there are too many young adults who can't get a job,. Who supports them then ?

That is not even taking the cost of the healthcare and education of any offspring.

Most children in the Western world have disposable nappies - not great for the planet.

We are all aging and living longer than we should. That does not mean the younger generation will become carers, or pay for the infrastructure ( no job equals not tax).

If people want to extend their families then why not foster or adopt? There are thousands of kids in care

As for a previous comment that Carrie would want kids because she is Catholic, it does not make sense. If her faith was so important would she have married a man who had been divorced before ?

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70 It is nothing to do with me or anyone else who people fall in love with.

If Carrie is Boris Johnson’s love of his life, I hope they and their families are happy.

Methinks BJ has had rather a lot of “loves of his life”

kjmpde

Maybe we don't need any more children in the western world.

We all know that the wealthy can afford to raise children to the age where they could get a job and not need any government benefits but there are too many young adults who can't get a job,. Who supports them then ?

That is not even taking the cost of the healthcare and education of any offspring.

Most children in the Western world have disposable nappies - not great for the planet.

We are all aging and living longer than we should. That does not mean the younger generation will become carers, or pay for the infrastructure ( no job equals not tax).

If people want to extend their families then why not foster or adopt? There are thousands of kids in care

As for a previous comment that Carrie would want kids because she is Catholic, it does not make sense. If her faith was so important would she have married a man who had been divorced before ?

If she indeed is a practising catholic she would not have had an affair with a married man, become pregnant before wedlock nor lived with a married man!

RosieandherMaw

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If she indeed is a practising catholic she would not have had an affair with a married man, become pregnant before wedlock nor lived with a married man!

I'm not Catholic so wouldn't assume expertise on all the tenets of that particular faith, but breaking the commandments is part of human frailty surely? I doubt if many of any particular faith can claim 100% adherence and purity. I acknowledge that she has broken the 'rules' quite extensively, but to question the reality of her faith is very unkind.

If I was going to be religious ( which I’m not) I would pretty much stick to the rules of that faith. Otherwise what would be the point?Seems that she picks and chooses which aspect of it she wants to adhere to.

"If people want to extend their families why not foster or adopt"

It's not easy to do that, not everyone is equipped or has the right qualities for such a consideration it's an enormous undertaking. You make no allowances for the fact that not every pregnancy is planned, for umpteen reasons, contraceptive failure for one, not every unplanned pregnancy is met with the desire to terminate it, some women will wish to go ahead and have their baby. From what I read, the teenage pregnancy rate is less common than it was, you cannot assume that prospective mothers don't work after they have children and won't be tax payers, a lot are these days. That in itself is a feat, childcare is not easy, there are a whole army of grandparents out there filling in on that score. The desire to procreate is part of the human condition, you could argue it's why we are put on this earth to propagate the species, although here in the west most women are lucky enough to choose whether they want to become mothers or not, it's not the foregone conclusion it was. Certain cultures do not have that luxury, because they live under harsh patriarchal regimes where young girls are expected to start having children when they are often still children themselves. These are the demographics that tend to over population, it's not good for the women and it's not good for the children. Do you imagine such societies want western interference and a lofty finger wagging instructing them on how many children they should have per family and how having too many is impacting on the world's resources, even if that is the case. Lets pretend the problem of over population of our average of 1.89 child/ren per couple and by extension construed as an over population rather than an under population problem of the developed world.

MayBee70

If I was going to be religious ( which I’m not) I would pretty much stick to the rules of that faith. Otherwise what would be the point?Seems that she picks and chooses which aspect of it she wants to adhere to.

Not all can achieve the perfection that you obviously do. For most of us it's a case of succeeding and failing, often in unequal parts, but congratulations on 100% success. Theory is so much more achievable than practice for the vast majority.

Rosie51

MayBee70

If I was going to be religious ( which I’m not) I would pretty much stick to the rules of that faith. Otherwise what would be the point?Seems that she picks and chooses which aspect of it she wants to adhere to.

Not all can achieve the perfection that you obviously do. For most of us it's a case of succeeding and failing, often in unequal parts, but congratulations on 100% success. Theory is so much more achievable than practice for the vast majority.

But I don’t achieve perfection. Didn’t say I did. That’s why I don’t commit to something that I know I won’t adhere to.

Many people don't choose their religion, parents do it for them. As an adult, one might loosely describe themselves as a Catholic but not adhere to all the strictures that's how it was for me and the Catholics I grew up with, maybe that's how it is for Carrie. Life's often messy, people make mistakes the church can be very rigid in its diktats for an institution that's harboured its own dark murky wrong doings, I got the impression that was something Pope Francis was wrestling with in trying to present a more human and forgiving face to an institution mired in its own dirty deeds.

Back to the children, the little ones have all been baptised in Westminster Catholic Cathedral.
I don't know Boris or Carrie, but I would imagine that the parents will allow the children to decide at a later date.

Magenta8

escaped I think you are missing the point. All that was being suggested was that somehow being a male ex-Etonian with an Oxford degree seems to confer some sort of immunity from criticism for Boris Johnson. I don't think anybody said or even implied that all male ex-Eton/Oxford alumni behaved the same way.

Well in that case, the male ex Etonian, Oxford degree immunity clause didn’t work in Boris Johnson’s case!😂I can’t recall a more criticised person.

So now we’re questioning Carrie’s religion as well as her right to have a fourth baby?😲
Hope all you ‘the world doesn’t need another baby’ claimers apply that to the many even larger families presently in the UK? Or is it just applied to well off toffs?

Rosieandhermaw

With you all the way .