Israel attack on Iran

lafergar

I don't know in what way I've shown disrespect.

It is not you lafergirl

Let it go GG,we are all doing our best in a very challenging world.

There are some horrible fights going on here. What's the point?

lafergar

Let it go GG,we are all doing our best in a very challenging world.

There are some horrible fights going on here. What's the point?

I am going out with girlfriends to celebrate a dear friends ‘0’ birthday.

It will be a lovely seafood lunch, by the sea with champagne and laughter and recalling memories of many years.

GN will be far from my thoughts 🥂🎂🍤🦪🍾🍾🍸🍹🥂🥗

GrannyGravy13

silverlining48

I appreciate that the families of servicemen @nd women will naturally be very concerned, because we are living in uncertain times, but I dont see any disrespect on this thread to our armed forces. We need them and appreciate what they do.

According to one poster our armed forces personnel are tricked/seduced into joining by promises of adventure, then let down…

My ex-Armed Forces father said - when I asked him why - "What else could a lad from a large poor family do? I knew I had to leave school when I did (despite the headmasters personal pleas to keep me there)".

He stayed in them basically because my mother wanted an Armed Forces husband - until he had a teenage daughter writing anti-War poems at school and who he knew would be ill again if he got posted again (because I was ill every time apparently).

So I'd say - at least in the past - it was because of lack of options in the case of my father (because of poverty).

I can't speak for younger men that have done so...though I suspect they're sold it on the grounds of foreign travel and learn a skill.............

As for my fathers attitude towards the Armed Forces himself - a bit of a mixture. Absolute total disdain for the officers. Disdain for the way they had pay forcibly taken from them for "voluntary" contributions towards something like a wedding present for someone in the royal family. Finally - over 20 years later he went for them for making him deaf (as he put it "The officers got given protective head covering when dealing with guns - we didnt!"). Cue for he put in his own claim for extra pension for wrecking his hearing totally unnecessarily and then schooled his mates in how to do the same.....and they got extra too.

The modern armed forces are very different to how they were in the 1940’s.
It’s 80 years ago.
Today it offers a real career choice along with making friends and seeing many different countries.The training includes making young men and women aware of the possibility of war and that they will have to kill or enable others to kill the enemies of their country.They don’t go into it ‘blind’.
It encourages responsibility and self sufficiency.

I am concerned that if the US get involved in this we can't be sure what China and Russia will do.
I think Trump will only get involved if there is financial gain for him. If he succeeds in destroying the bomb he will claim a US victory and the spoils of war for himself.
I don't think he is bothered about Israel at all.

Military force is needed to protect us against despots that seek to dominate and exploit us is anyone seriously saying that we should not defend ourselves against Putin.

If so reveal yourself now!.

GrannyGravy13

lafergar

Let it go GG,we are all doing our best in a very challenging world.

There are some horrible fights going on here. What's the point?

I am going out with girlfriends to celebrate a dear friends ‘0’ birthday.

It will be a lovely seafood lunch, by the sea with champagne and laughter and recalling memories of many years.

GN will be far from my thoughts 🥂🎂🍤🦪🍾🍾🍸🍹🥂🥗

We're going out too, GrannyGravy

Have a lovely celebration 🥂 🍾

lafergar

Let it go GG,we are all doing our best in a very challenging world.

There are some horrible fights going on here. What's the point?

There are some horrible fights going on here.

I did wonder why anyone should be surprised at all the conflicts in the world!

With a few exceptions, eeg military regimes, it is not Armed Forces which choose to go to war, it is politicians who will be safe in their bunkers.

The UK Armed Forces are highly skilled and are there for our defence.

We seem to have drifted along way from the OP.

Grantanow

We seem to have drifted along way from the OP.

It's relevant, though, because we may all be looking at them to defend us if those in charge cannot negotiate a peaceful settlement.

Allira

lafergar

Let it go GG,we are all doing our best in a very challenging world.

There are some horrible fights going on here. What's the point?

There are some horrible fights going on here.

I did wonder why anyone should be surprised at all the conflicts in the world!

With a few exceptions, eeg military regimes, it is not Armed Forces which choose to go to war, it is politicians who will be safe in their bunkers.

The UK Armed Forces are highly skilled and are there for our defence.

For defence and deterrent of course but sometimes you have to defend friends too and of course there are those who disagree with the political decision.

Not always friends but to try to stop the threat of evil taking over continents.

Or for purposes known to politicians but presented to the public as defence of our realm.
Politicians do sometimes think the general public is stupid enough to believe their lies.

David49 For defence and deterrent of course but sometimes you have to defend friends too and of course there are those who disagree with the political decision.

I thought Army and RAF provided peacekeeping and humanitarian aid.

Perhaps I'm mistaken.

Norah

David49 For defence and deterrent of course but sometimes you have to defend friends too and of course there are those who disagree with the political decision.

I thought Army and RAF provided peacekeeping and humanitarian aid.

Perhaps I'm mistaken.

They risk their lives because politians think that Afghans or Kosovans or Iraqis need defending or liberating, neither peace keeping or humanitarian.

It’s not peacekeeping when dozens of soldiers are getting killed and hundreds wounded.

Norah

David49 For defence and deterrent of course but sometimes you have to defend friends too and of course there are those who disagree with the political decision.

I thought Army and RAF provided peacekeeping and humanitarian aid.

Perhaps I'm mistaken.

Yes, if instructed to so. Humanitarian aid and logistics.The same way they do other things if instructed to do so.

There was certainly no peacekeeping nor humanitarian aid in Iraq.

We completely let Afghanistan down.

They were disasters which must not be forgotten, and lessons learned to not repeat.

Who said - Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

There has been an ongoing, disgraceful betrayal of the Afghans who worked with the Allied services. Those who wished, should have been evacuated.

Maremia

There has been an ongoing, disgraceful betrayal of the Afghans who worked with the Allied services. Those who wished, should have been evacuated.

I know somebody who helped the armed forces. Half his family made it out, half didn't.

Misleading videos, AI-generated images and miscaptioned photos are rapidly spreading online in the wake of Israel’s ongoing conflict with Iran, prompting warnings from fact-checkers over a surge in wartime disinformation.

At least a dozen examples of viral misinformation have been verified by UK-based fact-checking group Full Fact in recent days, including widely shared images that falsely claim to show Iranian missiles in Tel Aviv and anti-regime protests in Tehran.

Norah

David49 For defence and deterrent of course but sometimes you have to defend friends too and of course there are those who disagree with the political decision.

I thought Army and RAF provided peacekeeping and humanitarian aid.

Perhaps I'm mistaken.

Navy too, but my point is that Afghanistan was neither, politician's decided that regime change was needed then failed, leaving the population worse off, the same in Iraq and Syria

David49

Norah

David49 For defence and deterrent of course but sometimes you have to defend friends too and of course there are those who disagree with the political decision.

I thought Army and RAF provided peacekeeping and humanitarian aid.

Perhaps I'm mistaken.

Navy too, but my point is that Afghanistan was neither, politician's decided that regime change was needed then failed, leaving the population worse off, the same in Iraq and Syria

I understood your point. But, thank you for explaining.

However, I've no idea what the navy could possibly do as Afghanistan is land locked. I do wonder what the navy role is since the Falklands.

Norah

David49

Norah

David49 For defence and deterrent of course but sometimes you have to defend friends too and of course there are those who disagree with the political decision.

I thought Army and RAF provided peacekeeping and humanitarian aid.

Perhaps I'm mistaken.

Navy too, but my point is that Afghanistan was neither, politician's decided that regime change was needed then failed, leaving the population worse off, the same in Iraq and Syria

I understood your point. But, thank you for explaining.

However, I've no idea what the navy could possibly do as Afghanistan is land locked. I do wonder what the navy role is since the Falklands.

The navy does take part in Humanitarian programmes. Currently it our nuclear deterrent, part of our defence system in the north sea, and taking part in the Ukraine and Gulf campaigns.

You must have missed all that!.

Norah

David49

Norah

David49 For defence and deterrent of course but sometimes you have to defend friends too and of course there are those who disagree with the political decision.

I thought Army and RAF provided peacekeeping and humanitarian aid.

Perhaps I'm mistaken.

Navy too, but my point is that Afghanistan was neither, politician's decided that regime change was needed then failed, leaving the population worse off, the same in Iraq and Syria

I understood your point. But, thank you for explaining.

However, I've no idea what the navy could possibly do as Afghanistan is land locked. I do wonder what the navy role is since the Falklands.

Defence. The RN patrols international waters with allies and protects trade routes.