Trump has attacked Iran

*utterly!

That 'the majority of the people support his stance' does not negate Claremont's opinion that Netanyahu has been wanting to do this for decades. There is plenty of videod evidence to support Claremont's assertion.

Our world is being held to ransom by power mad men.

Yes WWM2, glad that the UK will begin to form closer defence bonds with Europe, now that the USA is so unreliable.

The irony is that Trump's attack on Iran now means that Iran will definitely build a nuclear weapon.
There is still doubt from experts in the US that there was imminent danger from Iran.
Also Trump acted illegally by not seeking approval from Congress.
By dancing to Netanyahu's tune he has put the whole world in danger and Iran will make sure now that they have a nuclear weapon.

Quote Maremia Mon 23-Jun-25 08:31:20
That 'the majority of the people support his stance' does not negate Claremont's opinion that Netanyahu has been wanting to do this for decades. There is plenty of videod evidence to support Claremont's assertion.

An opinion is not an assertion

I think what we mustn’t forget is that we (the world) does not know what Trumps strategy is.

If say that the Americans have successfully got rid of irans nuclear capability, now is not the time for further warfare, now is the time for negotiations.

There is at least a hope that this may be his strategy, as he will not be supported by a large majority of the USA if he makes the mistake that Bush did.

AGAA4

The irony is that Trump's attack on Iran now means that Iran will definitely build a nuclear weapon.
There is still doubt from experts in the US that there was imminent danger from Iran.
Also Trump acted illegally by not seeking approval from Congress.
By dancing to Netanyahu's tune he has put the whole world in danger and Iran will make sure now that they have a nuclear weapon.

Indeed, nothing will make them more determined now, and they certainly do have the excuse that they need them as the USA, Israel and 'the West' (the UK at least) are in cohoots. Do't they have the right to defend themselves?

As for saying that some of us are scaremongering and enjoying it- this is truly sick.

The fly in the ointment will always be Netanyahu though.

The Uk is in a weak military position.

Military personel have been saying it for a decade or more.

I won't print here what Cameron said to Stewart in Kabul, in 2009, when Stewart warned that what they were doing in Afghanistan was making things much worse, and not better, with a great loss of life on both sides. It shook me to the core.

I'll just print this little bit 'David has decided' one of his aides explained, when met him later 'that one caot criticise a war when there are troops on the ground' Stewart asked if that applied to Irak too. Same answer. P 24 of this book.

'one cannot'

fancythat

The Uk is in a weak military position.

Military personel have been saying it for a decade or more.

That is because of the constant cuts during austerity.

Hopefully they will now be gradually built up. Quite a lot of funding is winging their way.

I wonder who is this PM’s Alistair Campbell ?

Alistair Campbell of the infamous (fictitious) Iraq WMD dossier.

Alastair Campbell who along with Rory Stewart seem to be the current favourite go to encyclopaedia for all things political…

One thing is clear, Rory Stewart knew a lot more about Iraq and Afghanistan and the whole Middle East, than Cameron.

In the meantime, it seems Iran will not be stupid enough to retaliate with arms- but with economic measures which will be massively damaging to Western economies already struggling for all sorts of other reason. The UK mainly because of Brexit.

Iran has started turning tankers back at the Strait of Hormuz.
Fuel prices are expected to rocket (we have ordered our winter fuel today-there is going to be a mad panic buying).

Claremont I said upthread, it’s time for the U.K. to use its own oil resources, Milliband needs to give his head a wobble.

Putin must be delighted at the prospect of rising oil prices.

Claremont

One thing is clear, Rory Stewart knew a lot more about Iraq and Afghanistan and the whole Middle East, than Cameron.

In the meantime, it seems Iran will not be stupid enough to retaliate with arms- but with economic measures which will be massively damaging to Western economies already struggling for all sorts of other reason. The UK mainly because of Brexit.

Iran has started turning tankers back at the Strait of Hormuz.
Fuel prices are expected to rocket (we have ordered our winter fuel today-there is going to be a mad panic buying).

Trying not to be, but I feel afraid. Personally and in a bigger way.

GrannyGravy13

I wonder who is this PM’s Alistair Campbell ?

Alistair Campbell of the infamous (fictitious) Iraq WMD dossier.

Alastair Campbell who along with Rory Stewart seem to be the current favourite go to encyclopaedia for all things political…

I go to all the information I can glean on politics including what are clearly your bete noir - Stewart and Campbell.

Who do you find the best source of information?

'You say op-in-ion,
I say ass-er-tion.
Let's call the whole thing off.'

Seriously Annieb, that's what you took from my post?

Yes, WWM2, best practice is to try a variety of sources. It helps to avoid 'echo chamber' syndrome.
Some of the sources offered by GNs are also very enlightening.

Whitewavemark2 I think Rory Stewart is knowledgeable, my opinion of Alistair Campbell is best kept to myself.

Anniebach

Quote Maremia Mon 23-Jun-25 08:31:20
That 'the majority of the people support his stance' does not negate Claremont's opinion that Netanyahu has been wanting to do this for decades. There is plenty of videod evidence to support Claremont's assertion.

An opinion is not an assertion

Indeed it is not.

What is your opinion or take on these recent events?

Sorry Cossy, and apologies to anyone who is feeling stressed about the situation, I have just read a most depressing article on Facebook, and I am sure the details will be replicated elsewhere, but, leaving aside the legality of acting without the consent of Congress etc, it would appear that the mega expensive bombing has not achieved its purpose.
GNs have posted and explained upthread about the lack of nuclear 'fall out' after the bombing.
In this article 'observers' are quoted as having witnessed multiple tranportations of what is most likely to be the essential nuclear resources.
Putin is hosting a visit from Iranian officials, and has said that 'States' will be queuing up to offer help to Iran to continue and complete the programme.
Trump is begging Xi to help keep clear the Straits of Hormuz. Meanwhile China has sent flights of mystery planes to Iran.
So, it is neither resolved nor over yet.

An'assertion' is an 'opinion' with facts. The facts are that decades of videod evidence may be viewed by, anyone one here wishing to check it out and see for themselves, of Netanyahu claiming Iran is near completion of a bomb.
Pity that Trump has taken it to be true.