Trump has attacked Iran

Quote ronib Tue 24-Jun-25 08:44:58
Given the deep theological differences between Israel and Iran, and embedded hatred, has the fight been suspended for a while only to start up again? Iran will continue its pursuit of nuclear weapons and the USA will always have the capacity to out bomb. And so it continues.

Iran wants to kill all Jews

If Iran is not allowed nuclear arms, why on earth should Israel?

According to estimates by the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, published recently in the New York Times, Israel has “at least 90 [nuclear] warheads and enough fissile material to produce up to hundreds more.” President Jimmy Carter, who was in a position to know, said in 2014 that he believed the number is closer to “300 or more, nobody knows exactly how many.” In either case, this is more nukes than another country we’re routinely told to be terrified of: North Korea, which the Center estimates possesses “20 to 30  possibly assembled warheads.” These Israeli warheads can be delivered in a variety of ways, including by U.S.-made fighter jets, by German-made “Dolphin” submarines, and by a variety of missiles—including the Jericho 3, an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) that came online in 2011. Describing the early tests of this missile, Isaac Ben-Israel—who was both a scientist, a retired IDF general, and a member of the Knesset at the time—said in 2008 that “everybody can do the math and understand… that we can reach with a rocket engine to every point in the world.” If that’s not a thinly veiled threat, nothing is.

full article here

www.currentaffairs.org/news/wait-why-is-israel-allowed-to-have-nukes

The conclusion to the above article

'But the underlying assumption for U.S. policymakers—tinged, it has to be said, with Islamophobia and anti-Arab racism—has been that Israelis are responsible stewards of the bomb, in a way that Egyptians or Jordanians, or most of all Iranians, would not be. The problem is, when we look at Israel’s actions and not its words, there’s a strong case to doubt that assessment—and the situation has gotten dramatically worse in the last few years. '

I don’t see how Iran can be stopped from either buying in nuclear weapons or developing its own. I would much rather a world where faiths could work out their differences without bombing the hell out of each other.

Trump's 'War Cabinet' now consists only of people completely loyal to him.
In May, he fired his national security advisor Mike Waltz, dismissed half of the professionals at the National Security Council'
Told reporters that Gabbard, who had managed the inspection, was 'wrong' about the Iranian enrichment status.
He is now being 'advised' by people with no deep knowledge of Iran or the Middle East, for example JD Vance, Marco Rubio, Suzie Wiles, Stephen Miller, Steve Witkoff, a real estate developer, and the 'WAR ROOMS' podcaster Steve Bannon, released last year after being jailed for fraud.
He will be hearing only what he wants to hear.

Ronib, that would be the world for me.

ronib

I don’t see how Iran can be stopped from either buying in nuclear weapons or developing its own. I would much rather a world where faiths could work out their differences without bombing the hell out of each other.

Absolutely 100%

It looks like Iran have broken the ceasefire agreement according to Israel.

ronib

I don’t see how Iran can be stopped from either buying in nuclear weapons or developing its own. I would much rather a world where faiths could work out their differences without bombing the hell out of each other.

Agreed ronib. That’s where I want to live too.

I know that Netanyahu is a problematic leader (to say the least), but I try to put myself in the shoes of a Jewish person living in Israel, surrounded by terrorist groups hiding in plain site in neighbouring countries.

These terrorist have only one aim and that is to annihilate all Jews, of course the Israeli Government (whoever is the leader) are going to pre-empt any aggression.

This does not excuse the actions in Gaza which have gone too far and should cease immediately along with the access of aid and impartial observers from other nations.

One of our close couple friends are `Jewish, they fear showing any signs of their religion in public, no kippah, no Star of David necklace etc. Their main residence is in the U.K., unfortunately they feel the need to spend as much time as allowed in another country at the moment.

Why should Jews have to hide their religion?

Iran’s current regime is abhorrent, it needs the will of the people to overturn it, they will be very brave to do so. I watched Iranians being interviewed last night as they fled across the border, they are fearful of their rulers.

I imagine that any talks with Iran, USA, Israel and neighbouring countries will fraught as they all will want to save face

Apologies for my ramblings, I am trying to organise my thoughts.

My own Jewish friends, GrannyGravy13 are part of Jewish organisations such as Jews for Justice for Palestinians - and one of my friends (who lived in Israel for many years and still has friends there) says there are lots of Jews in Israel who also say "not in my name"

The problem, like many places it seems to me, is much more the leadership than the ordinary people.

Nobody should be afraid to profess their faith though. Nobody should be afraid to walk our streets in peace.

Last Friday a Synagogue in London was broken into, holy books and scrolls destroyed , police said “no indication the attack was antisemitic “ !

ronib

I don’t see how Iran can be stopped from either buying in nuclear weapons or developing its own. I would much rather a world where faiths could work out their differences without bombing the hell out of each other.

Wouldn't we all.

However, it's never going to happen 😥

Trump: I want a Nobel Peace Prize.

Netanyahu: I want to attack Iran.

Trump: Let's do a deal.

And the rest is warfare.

Thanks GG13, I’m another trying to make sense of my feelings and responses to Israel - Palestine and now Israel - US -Iran. FWIW one of my close friends who happens to be Jewish had his young cousin murdered in the October massacre. A relative visiting from Israel and now trying to return home, reports that anti Netanyahu feelings are reducing in response to fears about Iran.
My friend and his family have always been opposed to Netanyahu and wanted a two state solution

No one questions Hamas not releasing the Israeli hostages

Anniebach

No one questions Hamas not releasing the Israeli hostages

It was reported that the remains of three hostages were returned last week.

No news of any remaining live hostages, they seem to be forgotten amongst the current bombings.

Iam64

Thanks GG13, I’m another trying to make sense of my feelings and responses to Israel - Palestine and now Israel - US -Iran. FWIW one of my close friends who happens to be Jewish had his young cousin murdered in the October massacre. A relative visiting from Israel and now trying to return home, reports that anti Netanyahu feelings are reducing in response to fears about Iran.
My friend and his family have always been opposed to Netanyahu and wanted a two state solution

Iam64 I think the two state solution is just a distant dream at the moment.

At the time of the Reformation in England, dreadful murders were committed in the name of Christianity. Thankfully at some point, Protestants and Catholics were allowed to co-exist side by side. Obviously Iran Israel is working at a much heightened level of physical warfare and I wonder how much influence the arms trade has in promoting conflict? However as a teenager, I was moved by my visit to a priest’s hiding hole so the torture was very real In Elizabethan England. But we have moved on from that.

ronib

At the time of the Reformation in England, dreadful murders were committed in the name of Christianity. Thankfully at some point, Protestants and Catholics were allowed to co-exist side by side. Obviously Iran Israel is working at a much heightened level of physical warfare and I wonder how much influence the arms trade has in promoting conflict? However as a teenager, I was moved by my visit to a priest’s hiding hole so the torture was very real In Elizabethan England. But we have moved on from that.

Totally off topic a family friends house had a priest’s hide hole, with a tunnel which went for 100 metres underground to what is now a pub, previously a Coaching Inn.

I always felt a chill in the house, and really disliked being in it on my own when a teenager.

ronib

At the time of the Reformation in England, dreadful murders were committed in the name of Christianity. Thankfully at some point, Protestants and Catholics were allowed to co-exist side by side. Obviously Iran Israel is working at a much heightened level of physical warfare and I wonder how much influence the arms trade has in promoting conflict? However as a teenager, I was moved by my visit to a priest’s hiding hole so the torture was very real In Elizabethan England. But we have moved on from that.

The Spanish Inquisition. Persecution of Huguenots on the Continent. Methodists were persecuted in this country. That is not so long ago, relatively speaking.

Human beings have not progressed from settling their differences by killing each other in two millennia.
The only progression is better weapons.
This earth is a beautiful place spoiled by man.
I saw a photo of Israelis on what looked like a very picturesque and peaceful beach.
Wonderful countries ruined by war.

Maremia

Trump's 'War Cabinet' now consists only of people completely loyal to him.
In May, he fired his national security advisor Mike Waltz, dismissed half of the professionals at the National Security Council'
Told reporters that Gabbard, who had managed the inspection, was 'wrong' about the Iranian enrichment status.
He is now being 'advised' by people with no deep knowledge of Iran or the Middle East, for example JD Vance, Marco Rubio, Suzie Wiles, Stephen Miller, Steve Witkoff, a real estate developer, and the 'WAR ROOMS' podcaster Steve Bannon, released last year after being jailed for fraud.
He will be hearing only what he wants to hear.

In that case, very worrying 😳

Trump has sent a warning to Israel. Do not drop those bombs in Iran! Send your pilots home!!
Will Netanyahu listen?