Trump has attacked Iran

Claremont

Allira says 'Claremont Are you saying that men in the Armed Services are not adult or mature? If so, I believe they might take issue with that rather strange comment. '

NO this is not at all what I was saying.

This is not a Mess Hall, but a Forum with adult, mature women (and a few men).

Perhaps thi came across wrongly, then.

What do people think about being on a war footing? I don’t want to be on this at all. I don’t know anyone who does. I’m not sure subscription would be legal nowadays and I am horrified that Trump seems to have caused this situation to worsen. The man is a bully with no cares about anyone else. He needs to “the word he said on TV” off and not press other countries into following some batshit idea he has to exert power over everyone. My mother is 90 and has dementia and I’m so glad she has no idea about this having lived through the 2nd world war and Suez issue and thinks it will never happen again. I don’t understand how everyone can just bow tow to this arrogant bully of a man and not pull him up?? Are our own leaders not able to stop this lunacy?

It’s all surreal. Why the hell did Israel bomb Iran? Why should we be involved at all??

I think Trump is making the right call. No president has surrounded himself with more advisors and he has the ear of many powerful people across the region.
We know his instincts are against war. We know he thinks it’s a waste of resources and somehow everyone has their price and it’s just a matter of doing the best deal. But Iran is a very different culture, with a very religious patriarchal leadership which as we know has reversed all freedom of women. They are fanatics. They would like to destroy Israel. America’s interests are deeply held in Israel. So Trump has to act. For Iran to have nuclear power is unthinkable. Trump is the least warmongering president there could be. But he has listened to his advisors and has tried to take out irans nuclear capability. It is more dangerous to allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons.

I apologise for my inability to post links. I hope someone more tech savvy can do so.
Trump has posted a video of US planes dropping bombs. The background music is from the Beachboys song Barbara Ann. The lyrics include bomb bomb bomb Iran. It contains reference to bombing mosques.
I was sent it by a friend. Was so shocked I thought it was Fake News. It appears not.
It’s another occasion where I thought I’d reached peak understanding of how dangerous Trump is, only to find it continues to get worse

I am on holiday, and as a result have been out of the loop just for a day.

It is as if in the past 24 hours things have got beyond weird.

There was the bombings that didn’t work, but Trump is claiming they did.

We had the leader of the free world using expletives on camera about other countries.

There is an apparent ceasefire built on nothing else but Trumps say so -

There is footage of the USA in its very own movie as it bombs another country to the tune of Barbara Anne.

We can confidently assume that within a very short time Iran will be a nuclear power.

Carnage is continuing in Gaza with starving people being used as target practice.

What a wonderful world we live in.

Outside my window a little bird is singing its heart out.

It makes me want to cry at man’s evil. And futility.

MayBee70

It’s all surreal. Why the hell did Israel bomb Iran? Why should we be involved at all??

Israel bombed Iran in an attempt to make it give up its nuclear weapons programme, the US joined in and bombed the sites in the hope of destroying it. They certainly severely damaged it, however it is thought the 400kg of enriched uranium was moved before the bombing, this means the nuclear bomb programme has not ended.

Trump then did his usual “flip flop” and declared a peace deal, this might prove to be a fatal error, Iran will now redouble its effort to produce a bomb, what is needed is a non aggressive regime in Iran.

Morning Whitewave, your summary puts things as they are. I’ve just written to my mp to say please keep us out of this mess. Stsrmer and Lammy repeating the need to de-escalate and diplomacy. Let’s hope they hold that line.

David59, it isn’t only Iran that needs a non aggressive regime

What I want to know is where Iran has stored its uranium? There are satellite photos of lorry convoys lined up at the bombed sites before bombing so if these exist, where are the photos of the final destination of the many tons of uranium?

David49

MayBee70

It’s all surreal. Why the hell did Israel bomb Iran? Why should we be involved at all??

Israel bombed Iran in an attempt to make it give up its nuclear weapons programme, the US joined in and bombed the sites in the hope of destroying it. They certainly severely damaged it, however it is thought the 400kg of enriched uranium was moved before the bombing, this means the nuclear bomb programme has not ended.

Trump then did his usual “flip flop” and declared a peace deal, this might prove to be a fatal error, Iran will now redouble its effort to produce a bomb, what is needed is a non aggressive regime in Iran.

The nuclear sites are not ‘severely damaged’ at all. Evaluation by experts has shown that the deep chambers are untouched. Approach tunnels have been blocked, but can, of course, be easily unblocked. The uranium was removed well before the US raid.

One report I read notes that Iran’s nuclear programme has probably been set back by a few weeks…

Iam64

David59, it isn’t only Iran that needs a non aggressive regime

Absolutely, Israel is only defending itself, Iran is funding every terrorist group across the world.

Can you justify that?.

David49

Iam64

David59, it isn’t only Iran that needs a non aggressive regime

Absolutely, Israel is only defending itself, Iran is funding every terrorist group across the world.

Can you justify that?.

Israel were the AGGRESSORS, David.

No of course not. It’s also debatable now that Israel is only defending itself.

So, as David49, and others including the Pentagon, says, the bombing raid was a failure.
Trump is annoyed at the denials, for the sake of truth? Probably more because he wants to lord it large at the NATO summit, after his squeaky tank parade fiasco, and being largely ignored at the G7.
He is now a hero, saviour of Israel.
But, despite any relief felt, Iran still has nuclear 'potential'.
How threatening is that potential?
Rinseandrepeat has offered substatial data, that some, up thread, have applauded, which indicates 'very serious'.
That material most likely still exists.
But, the programme has been disrupted. Yes. And delayed, but allegedly, only by a matter of months.
So, what happens now? We can all guess and hope.
My guess, sadly, is that Iran stays below the radar, appears to be compliant with the ceasefire, while with Russia's promised help, and possibly assistance from China, gets on with what it feels it has to do.
Over to the naysayers now, to hopefully point out just how wrong I am.

MaizieD

David49

Iam64

David59, it isn’t only Iran that needs a non aggressive regime

Absolutely, Israel is only defending itself, Iran is funding every terrorist group across the world.

Can you justify that?.

Israel were the AGGRESSORS, David.

So you don’t regard Iran funding Hamas, Hezbolah and Houthis as agression

Just my opinion Iam64, but Israel's best chance now would be it's own 'regime' change by getting rid of Netanyahu.

Maremia

Just my opinion Iam64, but Israel's best chance now would be it's own 'regime' change by getting rid of Netanyahu.

Leaving Iran with 400kg of enriched Uranium, does to sound like a long lasting peace

Whitewavemark2

Apparently the big bombs were used. Trump is claiming complete obliteration.

I doubt it.

But if he is correct - then job done. Everyone can go home and peace reigns.

Official news now that the bombs sealed off the entrances to 2 of the facilities, but did not collapse underground infrastructure.

It has poked the 'bear' very hard, and made it ony more determined than ever that it needs nuclear bombs to defend themselves. Official estimates is that it has delayed it by a few months at best.

Hence my comment about using the smiley/happy emoticon
NOT being appropriate in the context, at all. This is VERY serious.

explained here

www.facebook.com/share/r/1Es3hUmu7D/

How come those satellite pics of lorries leaving the nuclear site weren’t made available at the time? Could have saved a good deal of trouble. And as someone else said, are there no pics saying where they went to?

Trump needs to believe that his bombs did what he intended since he doesn’t believe in failure as regards himself. So it may be stalemate for a bit.

Yes, I think despite Trump's assertions, Iran still has that deadly capability. But what can be done? Netanyahu has thrown away his Ace card.

Rocknroll5me

I think Trump is making the right call. No president has surrounded himself with more advisors and he has the ear of many powerful people across the region.
We know his instincts are against war. We know he thinks it’s a waste of resources and somehow everyone has their price and it’s just a matter of doing the best deal. But Iran is a very different culture, with a very religious patriarchal leadership which as we know has reversed all freedom of women. They are fanatics. They would like to destroy Israel. America’s interests are deeply held in Israel. So Trump has to act. For Iran to have nuclear power is unthinkable. Trump is the least warmongering president there could be. But he has listened to his advisors and has tried to take out irans nuclear capability. It is more dangerous to allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons.

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As I posted upthread, if Iran becomes a nuclear power I wouldn’t trust them not to allow one of their terrorist puppet organisations to use a nuclear/dirty bomb.

This would absolve Iran as they would just say it wasn’t us

As someone indicated upthread, some of this miltary 'posturing' is possible orchestrated.
We don't know if there are pictures of where they went.
Flights of planes were seen coming from China. Presumably those planes returned home. Were they delivering or receiving? Can you transport nuclear materials by plane?
Would that be detectable?