Trump has attacked Iran

Whitewavemark2 a quick search reveals that Iran restricts where and when the Inspectors can go and what they see. They have never had free range to fully inspect their uranium enrichment facilities.

Realistically we (The World) has no idea what stage they are at regarding their nuclear capabilities.

You’re right again Gg13 we have no idea where Iran is up to in nuclear bomb development. The US president claims their bombs destroyed capability. Other legitimate sources say otherwise

David just because some of us don't believe everything Trump says or does and question the legality of what he did doesn't make us supporters of Iran
It's a really appalling thing to say that posters want Iran to succeed.

How many inspectors were required to inspect Israel?

Claremont… none!

“A recent UK House of Commons research briefing reveals new attention on Israel’s secretive nuclear weapons program.

The report outlines decades of strategic silence, lack of treaty commitments, and minimal international pressure on Israel’s undeclared arsenal.

For decades, Israel has stood apart as a unique case in the global nuclear landscape—a nation widely believed to possess nuclear weapons, yet one that neither confirms nor denies their existence.

“Israel has a policy of ambiguity, neither confirming nor denying the existence of its nuclear weapons,” the report underlined.

Estimates from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) suggest Israel holds 80 to 90 warheads, with fissile material stockpiled for as many as 200.

But without formal admission, there is no legal accountability, no international inspections, and little diplomatic pressure to disclose or disarm.”

news.sky.com/story/why-israel-has-long-been-believed-to-have-a-nuclear-weapons-programme-13386345

The last time Israel was inspected Kennedy was POTUS, and they were not as thorough as he would have liked.

Three times over three years.

The West has no problem with Israel having nuclear, they recognise that as a country surrounded by enemies it gives them a certain amount of protection and Israel is a friend to the West.
Totally unlike Iran.

Given there’s a distance of about 1,000 miles between Iran and Israel, aerial warfare is the only way to fight (apart from cyber). So it’s hardly surprising that Israel has built up its nuclear arsenal as more conventional land based weapons won’t be used against Iran in the event of an attack.

Oreo

The West has no problem with Israel having nuclear, they recognise that as a country surrounded by enemies it gives them a certain amount of protection and Israel is a friend to the West.
Totally unlike Iran.

Yes, and this is clearly why they have been allowed to do so.

But herein lies the massive hypocrisy. Iran and other Middle Eastern countries have no rights, and not even the right to defend themselves. Whatever one thinks of Iran - surely evereone can see the this is intolerable for Arab countries.

And I for one am dreadfully sorry but we were not able to persuade Western Governments that Proliferation would always lead to this. That it would not be possible for The West to make others accept that they alone can possess nuclear arms and therefore 'rule the world. And that be it in The West, The East, or anywhere else, regimes change, and 'goodies' become the baddies', and sometimes t'other way round.

Why should other countries, that have been attacked constantly since the Crusades, and subjugated by Colonialisaion for so long, accept this? If Israel manages to clear Gaza and the West Bank (they are doing it now I believe as the attention is elsewhere) then it will get much worse and we will al live in constant danger of the next crisis and nuclear threat.

So you are in agreement with Iran’s aim to make Israel only for the Palestinians? Claremont

ronib

So you are in agreement with Iran’s aim to make Israel only for the Palestinians? Claremont

No, not at all. And I totally disagree that Israel should be only for Jews. There should have never been illegal and violent expansion of territory and illegal settlements.

But everytime negotiations seemed to lead to an agreement and a Two State solution, it was violenty cut dead in its tracks. Iksaak Rabin was murdered so it would not happen. And the illegal expansion and illegal settlements continued, relentlessly and violently.

If Iran withdrew from its aim of destroying Israel then a 2 State solution might be more on the cards? It is beyond sad that so many lives are lost. At the moment, it looks as if Iran has really upped its game so making it increasingly unlikely that Israel can back down. Claremont

Netanyahu never wanted a two-state solution. Here is a clip from 1978, saying clearly that he does not believe Palestinians have a right to a State of their own.

www.facebook.com/reel/1219891059872612/?s=single_unit&__cft__[0]=AZWuOAPEnUzLw-4biAq1g6K-yIXjdhAcSojr5KrzY8AoaTeEcZzljw0JVOzmsxcMTrreEzi9yyMvA5_rtLhHeJ9_-xWkisLuAtxkQskywV5fcmtjxcwW_TOTipKQjJ-cY7ynnPV4q3inVjmjJ-bnl-MN_DgmAMkqnbB6B8X4dUV2EMUG1WdbT9RVRrfzjpp7YJI&__tn__=H-R

After what hamas did in Israel any two state agreement has gone out the window for quite some time.Palestinians have nothing to thank hamas for and much to curse them for.
For the future, who knows? Since there are free and fair elections in Israel BN won’t be in power forever.

Exactly Oreo

Claremont that piece is 47 years old.

I expect many politicians of all colours had different ideas and views when they were young and living life have changed them.

I am not a fan of Benjamin Netanyahu, but he was elected and is I believe up there with Israel’s longest serving PM’s.

I cannot imagine what it must be like to be Jewish and have your race/religion persecuted over 1,000’s of years. Is it any wonder they want to protect themselves, living in the midst of countries who want to not only see the end of Israel, but the demise of all Jews on the planet.

Being Jewish in this country ?

Goldsmiths has apologised to Jewish students and staff after an independent inquiry found it had allowed a “culture” of antisemitism to build up on its campus.

The college, part of the University of London, said it has now launched a two-year “action plan” to combat the problem after admitting the inquiry painted a “disturbing picture” of campus life for those of Jewish faith.

The two state solution has been talked about since the 1940s, 85 years ago, but it’s mainly talked about by states other than the state of Israel who from the very start clearly had no intention to ever have a two state plan.
The violent expulsion of 750,000 Palestinians who were forced their homes and lands 77 years ago, called the Nakba, was only the start of what continues to this day.

Claremont

ronib

So you are in agreement with Iran’s aim to make Israel only for the Palestinians? Claremont

No, not at all. And I totally disagree that Israel should be only for Jews. There should have never been illegal and violent expansion of territory and illegal settlements.

But everytime negotiations seemed to lead to an agreement and a Two State solution, it was violenty cut dead in its tracks. Iksaak Rabin was murdered so it would not happen. And the illegal expansion and illegal settlements continued, relentlessly and violently.

Settlements aside issue it shouldnt be happening but until a change of government there isn’t going to be a change.
The problem the Iran and it’s terrorist allies vow to destroy or Israel. Israel doesn’t want to destroy any country it want to keep what it has, others have been attacking it

Israel has had nuclear weapons for at least 40 yrs it not attacked any state it has proved it can handle them them safely. Iran vows to destroy or Israel, who on GN does not believe they would not do this. All Iran has to do is accept. Israel and prove they are not developing a nuclear weapon, Israel would end the war and sanctions will be lifted benefitted the whole population.

But that’s not the fundamentalist way is it

Claremont

Netanyahu never wanted a two-state solution. Here is a clip from 1978, saying clearly that he does not believe Palestinians have a right to a State of their own.

www.facebook.com/reel/1219891059872612/?s=single_unit&__cft__[0]=AZWuOAPEnUzLw-4biAq1g6K-yIXjdhAcSojr5KrzY8AoaTeEcZzljw0JVOzmsxcMTrreEzi9yyMvA5_rtLhHeJ9_-xWkisLuAtxkQskywV5fcmtjxcwW_TOTipKQjJ-cY7ynnPV4q3inVjmjJ-bnl-MN_DgmAMkqnbB6B8X4dUV2EMUG1WdbT9RVRrfzjpp7YJI&__tn__=H-R

That was written just two years after the Entebbe incident, perpetrated by Palestinian militants and German terrorists and only six years after 1972, when Palestinian terrorists took 11 Israeli athletes and coaches hostage at the Munich Olympics. Tragically, the episode ended with the massacre of all of the hostages.

I understand that 22 more West Bank settlements have been agreed by Israel just in the past couple of weeks. These are settlements which forcibly displace the Palestinians who have lived and farmed their land for hundreds of years. Many are killed by the IDF in the process of protecting their homes and means but to no avail.
By what right do Israel have to continue stealing other peoples property?
Someone on another thread said she still would buy Israeli oranges, by coincidence I found out that it was Palestinian farmers who grew these oranges and were self sufficient for years until their trade with the outside world was stopped by Israel.
I won’t go into more detail but it’s easy enough to check for yourselves if interested in the other side of the story. Because there always is another side.

By what right do Israel have to continue stealing other peoples property?

None.

But is less than £16 million worth of fruit, veg and nut imports, to the UK as a whole so a minute proportion of thst to the Co-op, going to make a jot of difference?

Other governments, the UN, huge charities, none of their attempts seem to be making any difference whatsoever.
Until Netanyahu is removed from power, this could continue.

The Ayatollah is expected to make his victory speech to his supporters and so it continues with no end in sight.

The Jews were first thrown out of their land by the Romans. Since then they have dispersed to other parts of the world including Africa and Europe but some returned to the middle east.
It must be difficult for Israelis to be surrounded by hostile countries and I think the British and the US bear some responsibility for creating this situation.
This can't be rectified now and I think the middle east will always be very unstable.