Trump has attacked Iran

Oreo

Taking no sides is not a virtue.

What an odd statement. Being neutral has nothing to do with being virtuous.

I for one think “a plague on all their houses”

As I just said, what’s ‘right’ about Iran?
How can anyone not take a side unless they think the regime is a good one and want them to acquire nuclear weapons.

Being neutral indicates fence sitting for no good reason in this particular case.

An Iran with a nuclear capability whilst also bankrolling and controlling some of the most heinous terrorists on the planet would be the entire worlds worse nightmare…

I don’t take sides as you put it because, being mindful of the history of the region and the reason each country is behaving as it is, the geopolitics etc, I see no reason why a side should be taken. It is an odd thing to suggest imo, and a tad simplistic.

You see no reason…..right.😬
A tad simplistic is actually seeing no reason to take a side.

GrannyGravy13

An Iran with a nuclear capability whilst also bankrolling and controlling some of the most heinous terrorists on the planet would be the entire worlds worse nightmare…

Tho strangely a few GNetters don’t see any danger.

Sometimes sitting on a fence allows one to see both sides and many on here seem to see only one direction, that of Israel, which completely controls and denies Palestine with the same rights as almost everywhere else. The right of food, water medical aid, a life, plus the right to freedom of movement and freedom from fear.
Hamas has said it wants to go, if there were elections in both Israel , where Netanyahu would without doubt lose and Palestine where a new government were elected, this might then be possible for a two state solution to come about.

Surely most people whoever they are, want to live in peace ?

I think most know the danger but can see how things have got to this point.
The British have had their feet in Iran too when a British man found oil there.
It's a sad tale of land and resources grabbing over many years that has led to this point.
We are where we are unfortunately and not in a safe place.

Whitewavemark2

I don’t take sides as you put it because, being mindful of the history of the region and the reason each country is behaving as it is, the geopolitics etc, I see no reason why a side should be taken. It is an odd thing to suggest imo, and a tad simplistic.

Thank you Wwm2- and that does not make you antisemitic, or pro Iran, at all.

Yes, Oreo, many of us see the massive danger of several unstable mad men waving weapons at each other, and more importantly, nuclear ones. You seem to believe the only mad men are on the East, but some of us can see they are on all sides. And that was always going to be the case if nuclear proliferation was allowed to continue. The cultural and political 'superiority' of the West makes no sense seen from the other side. The side that is being pre-emptivelly attacked, and will be even more determined therefore to have the means to protect themselves against the nuclear blackmail of the West.

Am I pro Iran. NO.

GrannyGravy13

Claremont that piece is 47 years old.

I expect many politicians of all colours had different ideas and views when they were young and living life have changed them.

I am not a fan of Benjamin Netanyahu, but he was elected and is I believe up there with Israel’s longest serving PM’s.

I cannot imagine what it must be like to be Jewish and have your race/religion persecuted over 1,000’s of years. Is it any wonder they want to protect themselves, living in the midst of countries who want to not only see the end of Israel, but the demise of all Jews on the planet.

47 years olf. and that was my point entirely. I have posted other videos of him expressing his wish to attack Palestinians very hard, to the point of non recovery, about 20 years later. Some leopards change their spots, his have just becoe bigger and more numerous with time.

silverlining48

Sometimes sitting on a fence allows one to see both sides and many on here seem to see only one direction, that of Israel, which completely controls and denies Palestine with the same rights as almost everywhere else. The right of food, water medical aid, a life, plus the right to freedom of movement and freedom from fear.
Hamas has said it wants to go, if there were elections in both Israel , where Netanyahu would without doubt lose and Palestine where a new government were elected, this might then be possible for a two state solution to come about.

Surely most people whoever they are, want to live in peace ?

Wrong thread?
This one is about Iran and nuclear weapons. How can anyone take their side or even fence sit?

Taking sides can be likened to
what Trump said about Israel and Iran being like kids in a playground fighting.
I don't want Iran to become powerful but the only "side" I am on is the UKs
The safety of our own people is what's most important and we need to be able to defend ourselves from Iran and others who wish us harm.

Oreo

silverlining48

Sometimes sitting on a fence allows one to see both sides and many on here seem to see only one direction, that of Israel, which completely controls and denies Palestine with the same rights as almost everywhere else. The right of food, water medical aid, a life, plus the right to freedom of movement and freedom from fear.
Hamas has said it wants to go, if there were elections in both Israel , where Netanyahu would without doubt lose and Palestine where a new government were elected, this might then be possible for a two state solution to come about.

Surely most people whoever they are, want to live in peace ?

Wrong thread?
This one is about Iran and nuclear weapons. How can anyone take their side or even fence sit?

And some are replying why Israel and nuclear weapons. How can anyone take their side or even fence sit' They are currently the aggressors.

What I am not interested in in the tribalism and hysteria surrounding this issue, however I am interested in the international legality of the what is happening. So, we know that an attack on another country is only deemed legal when an armed attack is imminent (art. 51). It isn’t enough to say that someone is an enemy, and it isn’t enough to say that my enemy might attack me sometime in the future. To date, neither Israel nor the USA have been able to show concrete evidence that Iran was about to attack Israel. Indeed the nuclear agency have categorically stated that Iran was nowhere near manufacturing a nuclear war head, let alone the capability of delivering it.

What we do know however, is that Netanyahu has made it one of his life’s ambitions to rid Iran of the capability, and the fact that the USA has now joined him in this fight must make him think that all his christmases have come at once. But I still go back to the law, and the apparent illegality of their actions.

If we ignore this law, then we might as well all pack up and go home.

With regard to Iran. It seems to me that this is a case of being careful what you wish for. So the Revolution, which toppled the Shah, whose continuance had been supported by western powers, was hoped to bring an out a democracy, but unfortunately instead heralded in the dictatorship we see today. The result many think of the backlash to western interference.

So imo the aim to bring about regime change is neither desirable nor sensible given the past history, Irans ethnic profile and the strong possibility that Iranians will work together to resist outside interference from the west particularly Israel.

With regard to ability of nuclear capability. I don’t for one minute think that Iran has been neutralised regarding nuclear weapons, and my fear now is that Khamenei, who has always done enough in various assaults on his perceived enemy but never too much, will reckon that he has nothing to lose by secretly developing this weapon and threatening to use it if pushed by Israel, either directly or indirected by his sleeper cells spread throughout the world.

That is why diplomacy and talks always top violence, and why I see what is happening as nothing but bad news for the world. Perhaps not immediately but certainly for the near future.

And as someone said upthread.

My loyalties lie with the U.K. not the USA and certainly not Netanyahu!

Nor with Hamas or the Iranian regime either, presumably?

Whitewave Netanyahu and Christmas ?

AGAA4

Taking sides can be likened to
what Trump said about Israel and Iran being like kids in a playground fighting.
I don't want Iran to become powerful but the only "side" I am on is the UKs
The safety of our own people is what's most important and we need to be able to defend ourselves from Iran and others who wish us harm.

Rational nations recognize the Armageddon of mutual destruction, I think Iran believes there will be enough survivors to populate their kind of world.

The US “Bunker Buster” bomb is only capable of penetrating
10m (30ft) of concrete, Iran’s bomb factory is under Thousands of feet of rock. The US probably collapsed the entrance but little else.
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The US language on the efficacy of the bombs has changed from 'obliteration' to 'damage'. They aren't really sure despite the bluster.
Pete Hesgeth is attacking the press for doubting the success. He was very angry but the US will be afraid they have made a terrible mistake and Iran are even now working on more nuclear weapons.
I am afraid too.

Gosh what a torrent of discussion since last I joined in.
Point of Information request, at what point in Iran's political history did the Leaders threaten to destroy Israel?
Was it before, during or after Mosaddegh's time. Fyi, he was democratically elected, but overthrown in 1953 by the good old US of A.

AnnieB, your opinion is that Netanyahu must be fine as he has been in charge for a long time.
Putin has been in charge for possibly the same length of time.
Sorry, but I don't see length of rule as being the best indicator of moral fitness to rule.

Maremia

Gosh what a torrent of discussion since last I joined in.
Point of Information request, at what point in Iran's political history did the Leaders threaten to destroy Israel?
Was it before, during or after Mosaddegh's time. Fyi, he was democratically elected, but overthrown in 1953 by the good old US of A.

www.institutmontaigne.org/en/expressions/what-does-iran-really-want
Author Dr Bassma Kodmani, who was a Syrian political scientist.
10/8/2021

www.arab-reform.net/publication/ari-sadly-announces-the-death-of-bassma-kodmani/
2/3/2023

Quote Maremia Thu 26-Jun-25 16:08:40
AnnieB, your opinion is that Netanyahu must be fine as he has been in charge for a long time.
Putin has been in charge for possibly the same length of time.
Sorry, but I don't see length of rule as being the best indicator of moral fitness to rule.

You seem confused, Putin is President, Netanyahu is Prime
Minister ,