New Abortion Bill

Baggs

Here's one: voxpoliticalonline.com/2025/06/18/the-new-abortion-law-what-it-means-why-it-matters-and-why-some-missed-the-point/#google_vignette

Thank you for posting this. I didn't fully understand either and can see why Allsorts was shocked at first glance.

They could, and forget about a career and promotion n Obs and Gynea, for sure.

Might be better to choose another area of specialism if being able to refuse to carry out abortions is only in theory and not put into practice.

Surely for an unwanted, otherwise unaffected baby, adoption is a much better option? How can it be ok to abort that baby right up to 'just before delivery' and it not be murder? Yet perhaps only a matter of hours, maybe days later, putting a pillow over that new born baby's face would be murder, - presumably!?

Smileless2012

Might be better to choose another area of specialism if being able to refuse to carry out abortions is only in theory and not put into practice.

Yes, sadly what happened to several people I know who hoped to have a career in obs&gynea.

I didn't say that every objection was based on religious opinions. Read my post carefully. But I do resist having the choices of the non-religious limited or removed by religious people.

But you would be fine if I voted to limit that choice as I am not religious?

Putting the morality aside, this is disastrous for abortion rights, if reform have any political sense they will put repealing this on their platform for the next election.

Hopefully they will. The bill is frankly quite appalling.

did anyone read the link that was posted?

I know the situation, I oppose it and think it has ensured that the abortion debate ( previously settled in this country - we are very different to America where abortion is much more linked to 'left' and 'right') has been blown wide open in this country, it will without a shadow of doubt now be part of the 'culture war'.

I’ve thought about this. You mean people who wouldn’t have known about the 1% now know about it? then discussion is entered into it and causes more problems for women?

I don't understand why these people want an abortion. If they don't want the baby, then put it up for adoption! That way the child would be wanted and loved.

Fidelity2

I don't understand why these people want an abortion. If they don't want the baby, then put it up for adoption! That way the child would be wanted and loved.

There are very many reasons why a woman might want an abortion - none of which are anyone else's business.

Grantanow

The OP is completely inaccurate. The law regarding nedically approved termination has not changed. Its simply that vulnerabe women wont be investigated or prosecuted. Several women with miscarriages were subject to police investigation: an utterly disgrace. The religious fanatics will seek to use this to press for no abortions regardless of circumstances. One only has to look at the US to see the potential for backward thinking to succeed.

I would think that if a woman self-aborts at that stage of pregnancy, it is almost certainly because of "exceptional circumstances". It seems to me that either she must have what appears to her at that moment to be no choice but to do it, or the balance of her mind must be disturbed - which is frequently part of the verdict in an inquiry into a suicide. I see a similarity between suicide and late abortion - the child is an extension of the mother. If the pregnancy were an unwanted one, there would already have been months of time in which to consult medical advice about ending it.

They are very likely to need physical medical treatment. Will they also be referred for psychological assessment and suitable therapy? It could be urgently needed If vulnerable women wont be investigated or prosecuted, the long pregnancy could be completely unrecorded and unassisted - and it is both a crime to conceal a pregnancy and the act of ending it at the late term could lead to later mental trauma for the mother..

Thank you Grantanow and Elegran for your calm, factual posts. The bill doesn’t advise or support what would be illegal abortions.

It ought to include provision for some kind of expert assessment of a mother who feels so desperate that she aborts a pregnancy which is so near to being a birth. If she did it because she has only just found out that the child is likely to suffer from some untreatable condition, or if she has only just realised that she is pregnant, or for some reason she can't face motherhood at that time, she needs counselling.

Religion is clearly relevant. Research from the University of Liverpool shows (quote) 'A group of MPs switched their vote between second and third reading,with those identifying as religious more likely to end up opposing the law change' from a recent article in The Conversation.

Many babies are saved at 24 weeks and go on to lead healthy lives. Even at 23 weeks, too. If you must agree to abortion it should only be up to 3 months max. I am a grandmother of a very prem baby who is now at university studying science. A beautiful young woman who rarely gets sick.

I agree nanna8, three months, at a push four. Peoples reasons are not ours or anyone else's business but it is the business of the unborn maybe viable baby who is the helpless victim. As has been said what is wrong with adoption? My body, my choice = my body, no choice. Frankly I wouldn't be happy If it were my dog.