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Falling birth rate

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growstuff Thu 03-Jul-25 03:11:03

Should a falling birth rate in the UK be a concern?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/02/britain-falling-birthrate-economy-politics#comments

Grantanow Sat 12-Jul-25 08:54:12

World population is rising steeply and will ultimately be limited by food a nd water supplies. Most of the population increase is in Africa and that is where birth control measures should be applied.

MaizieD Sat 12-Jul-25 09:10:15

Most of the population increase is in Africa and that is where birth control measures should be applied.

Oh, really? Just like that?

And who is going to 'apply' them?

David49 Sat 12-Jul-25 10:36:18

Population control is not on the agenda anywhere in Africa it’s a taboo subject

Allira Sat 12-Jul-25 10:49:48

MaizieD

^Most of the population increase is in Africa and that is where birth control measures should be applied.^

Oh, really? Just like that?

And who is going to 'apply' them?

I do wonder if many women in areas of Africa would like the choice but are unable to for various reasons, one being limited access to clinics .

Grantanow Sun 13-Jul-25 10:28:28

MaizieD

^Most of the population increase is in Africa and that is where birth control measures should be applied.^

Oh, really? Just like that?

And who is going to 'apply' them?

The UN and Western governments should put pressure on African leaders to introduce freely available contraception. It will be a struggle of course and not helped by Catholic missions and other religious groups keen to see their flocks increase but if it fails the world population will balloon until it is controlled by starvation.

David49 Sun 13-Jul-25 16:23:29

Grantanow

MaizieD

Most of the population increase is in Africa and that is where birth control measures should be applied.

Oh, really? Just like that?

And who is going to 'apply' them?

The UN and Western governments should put pressure on African leaders to introduce freely available contraception. It will be a struggle of course and not helped by Catholic missions and other religious groups keen to see their flocks increase but if it fails the world population will balloon until it is controlled by starvation.

It’s a taboo subject governments are far to macho male dominated to consider it, don’t expect catholic or any other “missionaries” to promote contraception, overseas NGOs are very restricted these days. Local officials of whatever faith now dominate all community projects, now USaid has been cut there is far less cash for all aid projects, no cash - nothing gets done.

M0nica Mon 14-Jul-25 12:23:32

What a lot of nonsense is being talked about the effect the catholic church has on birth rates in any country in the world, especially Africa.

Here is a link to world birthrates en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate None of the countries in the top 25 with the higherst birthrate is predominantly catholic or even christian. But at leats 10 are predominantly muslim.

Look at the 25 countries with the lowest birthrates and they are predominantly christian and/or catholic.

People who have nothing to do with the catholic church or left it long ago are always dredging up stories the religion from their childhood. Things have changed a lot, while the catholic church does still frown on contraception, it is far lower key than it was and the vast majority of catholic families, mine included use contraception to plan their families.

Large families are driven more by cultural than religious norms, although the two can be intertwined.

David49 Mon 14-Jul-25 13:30:11

The biggest influence on birth rate is education of women and access to clinics for contraception, urban ares have some advantages but rural areas are largely neglected. Islamic areas are expanding making the problem worse, dont expect any changes for many decades.

M0nica Mon 14-Jul-25 16:35:20

and the availability of electricity. Electricity introduces light and television into households, so they go to bed later.

Fascinating research paper on the subject here www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-demographic-economics/article/fertility-electricity-and-television-is-there-a-link-evidence-from-pakistan-19902018/65B43B0D650BEF5B78AFEDEE15CBFCF5

David49 Mon 14-Jul-25 17:41:37

M0nica

and the availability of electricity. Electricity introduces light and television into households, so they go to bed later.

Fascinating research paper on the subject here www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-demographic-economics/article/fertility-electricity-and-television-is-there-a-link-evidence-from-pakistan-19902018/65B43B0D650BEF5B78AFEDEE15CBFCF5

Yes I was going to mention that, but thought it would be “poo-pooed”, with electricity comes TV, the second male pastime (after beer) is football, even in rural areas, someone has a TV with a satellite link.
Most families wouldn't have a TV in the house/hut, families is very flexible too a lot of children get unofficially adopted.