Falling birth rate

If it is correct that schools are making redundancies - is that due to lack of funding or a fall in kids attending school?
even the latter could be affected by the number of children who don't attend school due to their special needs etc

ViceVersa

Allira

spread fertiliser on our crops

Of course they do. To replace the nutrients which were used up in last year's crop!!

And fertiliser doesn't necessarily mean chemicals.

No, it doesn't, but crops aren't produced by commercial farmers the same way as they are on an allotment. Soil quality is being depleted.

petra

The figures from the ONS on live births to women not born in the uk.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/parentscountryofbirthenglandandwales/2022

What's the problem with that?

Three of the last four Conservative leaders have/had mothers not born in the UK.

If it is correct that schools are making redundancies - is that due to lack of funding or a fall in kids attending school?

Fall in kids attending school.
As far as I know, it varies area to area.
Areas with an increase in house builds and that attracts families, their schools are overflowing.

Let's be honest, by the time it becomes a real problem, we'll be long gone.

How is fall in birthrate defined. After WWII the country was encouraged to have children probably to fill the loss of so many who died plus the anticipated surge in building and industries. Have we reached the pre war level or is it a reduction in the post war level. All the baby boomers are blamed for being a drain on the country but no mention of what they all have and still contribute to the country.

Officially, birth rate is the total number of live human births per 1,000 population for a given period divided by the length of the period in years.

Therefore, if the total population increases, but the number of births remains the same, the birth rate goes down.

Growstuff High Streets are desolate except for pubs, nailbars, vape shops etc as online shopping has driven shop closures. Retail parks accommodate the supermarkets, clothing stores etc nowadays.

4allweknow

Growstuff High Streets are desolate except for pubs, nailbars, vape shops etc as online shopping has driven shop closures. Retail parks accommodate the supermarkets, clothing stores etc nowadays.

Are you suggesting that a higher birth rate would get people back to shopping on the high street? That's a separate issue.

TBH Warehouses like the Amazon ones will be increasingly automated in the future, which will mean there's less of a need to have people to work in shops. We've already seen high street banks replaced by AI. One way or another, the need for real people is going to change and we're going to have to work out how to deal with that. The jobs people will be doing in a hundred years will be different from the ones they do today, just as today's jobs are different from the ones people were doing a hundred years ago.

No Don't worry. Fertility treatment (free to those coincidentally with housing needs), generates (thanks NHS) many multiple births that wouldn't otherwise happen. In addition and in conjunction, the lower echelons are busy having babies to assist with their unemployment claim and housing needs. ie 2 girl babies and benefits = 2 bedroom newbuild. 2 girl babies plus 1 boy baby = 3 bedroom newbuild gratis. if the couple separate, = 3 bedroom newbuild for the 2 girls and 1 boy + 3 bedroom newbuild for the other parent (separate claim). But actually all in one house and the other house used for "vegatation growth".

If you go out during the day in your car, you will be in a long line of other traffic, If the train is delayed you won't find a seat on the next train,

I wouldn't worry.

This is real.

Fertility treatment
Do you think we Gransnetters are too old to qualify, a few years or more past the menopause?

I thnk a falling population is just what the world wants and needs. Ideally world population should fall to only a couple of billion.

In the mid 1300s, the black death swept Europe, killing a third of the population, a half in some places, it returned less extensively at regular intervals for the next 100 years. The effect it had on the population was nothing but positive. It drove wages up for the survivors, led to innovationin agriculture, poorer lands were returned to pasture.

Why would it be any different today. It is said that 'the past is a different coubtry, they do things differently there', well the future is a different place they will do it differently there as well.

The wolrd is over populated in the long term it is in everyone's interest that it should fall.

Well I remember plenty. All my chums had two or three siblings.

Golly Snowbelle- lower echelons?!

M0nica Your post at 22.34 yesterday is absolutely correct.

M0nica

I thnk a falling population is just what the world wants and needs. Ideally world population should fall to only a couple of billion.

In the mid 1300s, the black death swept Europe, killing a third of the population, a half in some places, it returned less extensively at regular intervals for the next 100 years. The effect it had on the population was nothing but positive. It drove wages up for the survivors, led to innovationin agriculture, poorer lands were returned to pasture.

Why would it be any different today. It is said that 'the past is a different coubtry, they do things differently there', well the future is a different place they will do it differently there as well.

The wolrd is over populated in the long term it is in everyone's interest that it should fall.

The human race is too smart, we have the technical ability to conquered any plague or pandemic with very limited losses.

That why the population has grown to 9 billion, the only real risk now is warfare, migration will accelerate in the liberal western democracies.

growstuff

Whitewavemark2

Blimey the message - immigrants seems to be getting through.

High immigration levels generally means economic growth.

Ah! But they might not have the right colour skin tone.

Being concerned about levels of immigration and being racist are two entirely different things.

David49 World population is starting to fall and all the signs are that it will continue to do so. The cause is irrelevant.

But I am in absolute agreement that people living then will adjust to it just as people adjusted to the Black Death and the rapidly rising population caused by technical and medical advances of the last 200 years.

In the end the results will be beneficial, until a time maybe 3 or 4 centuries from now, when there will be a problem of a too small population and society will adjust again. How? I have absolutely no idea, who knows what life in 300 years will be like/ But adjust they will.

M0nica

David49 World population is starting to fall and all the signs are that it will continue to do so. The cause is irrelevant.

But I am in absolute agreement that people living then will adjust to it just as people adjusted to the Black Death and the rapidly rising population caused by technical and medical advances of the last 200 years.

In the end the results will be beneficial, until a time maybe 3 or 4 centuries from now, when there will be a problem of a too small population and society will adjust again. How? I have absolutely no idea, who knows what life in 300 years will be like/ But adjust they will.

The UN differ from your opinion they predict population rising to over 10 billion by 2080, then stabilizing until the end of the century.
Of course another 75 yrs of global warming may well change that, unless we get serious about CO2 production.

David49 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_population_projections has different un statistics to yours.

UN

M0nica

UN

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Looks like 10.3bn in 2086 to me

The 2022 revision of the UN's World Population Prospects report[24] represents a departure from the pattern of the previous ten years, it was the first to project a peak in the 21st century. It expected that a slowing of the population growth rate will lead to a population peak of 10.4 billion in the 2086 in the medium scenario, after which it would then begin to slowly fall. This shift from earlier projections of peak population and predicted date of zero population growth comes from a more rapid drop in Africa's birth rate than previous projections had expected.[25] For example, the 2012 report predicted that the population of Nigeria, Africa's most populous country, would rise to 914 million by 2100; the 2022 report lowers that to 546 million, a reduction of 368 million; the 2024 report lowered that further to 477 million, a reduction of 69 million.[20][8][25] Jose Rimon of Johns Hopkins University suggested, "We have been underestimating what is happening in terms of fertility change in Africa. Africa will probably undergo the same kind of rapid changes as east Asia did."[25] The 2024 edition brought the peak forward to 2084, with the population topping at 10.3 billion.[26]

Skydancer

Agree. The world needs fewer people.

Most definitely