Rachel reeves

Mollygo

Doodledog

I don’t care who might have done what had circumstances differed. That is a lame excuse for bad behaviour (almost worse than ‘s/he did it first, Miss’). KN was spiteful and unprofessional. When people show you who they are, believe them.

I do.
That’s one reason why I dislike several politicians at the moment.

Me too, but I wouldn't excuse bullying of any of them, or make excuses if any of the ones I do like behaved as KB did.

Of course it doesn’t need to be accepted. But the fact that it will be used means the users do accept it as a means of self justification.

Mollygo

Of course it doesn’t need to be accepted. But the fact that it will be used means the users do accept it as a means of self justification.

Yes, it's a shame there are so many people who think like that.

Yes, it's a shame there are so many people who think like that including politicians. 😁

But that assumes that people have no personal integrity. Just because there are those who accept bad behaviour, or justify it on a tit-for-tat basis doesn't mean that individuals have to behave badly. People are responsible for their own behaviour.

As my mum used to say, 'if X decided to jump off a cliff, would you do the same?'

Thanks Doodledog. It a good point. Now we see tit for tat in Parliament we should see it as a lack of personal integrity.

My mum used Would you run in front of a bus just because he did?

Quote and picture from the "Open Britain" email

"It’s a cliche to say politics is a tough business, or that women in public office face increased scrutiny and unfair standards compared to their male counterparts - but neither are any less true for that. Rachel Reeves’ obvious distress on Wednesday was an uncomfortable reminder of these facts. It came just hours after government concessions to head off a major backbench rebellion over welfare left her fiscal rules in jeopardy, and offered an insight into her opponents who chose - or not - to use a publicly vulnerable moment as a political attack.

Will the four posters who are in competition with each other, quoting everything each other says and arguing, it's so rude and childish.

Mollygo

Thanks Doodledog. It a good point. Now we see tit for tat in Parliament we should see it as a lack of personal integrity.

My mum used ^Would you run in front of a bus just because he did?^

I'm not at all saying how people should see anything, but hasn't tit-for-tat always been seen as childish? Whether in Parliament or anywhere else - it's just no defence at all.

I'm not sure I deserve thanks for making such an obvious point, but will accept them graciously .

There's a clear argument that Rachel Reeves should be made to be miserable, and have a good cry, given the incompetence she (and her boss!) have shown in a number of topics.

They were elected on a wave of enthusiasm, the country hoping to rebound from umpteen years of Tory complacency, and in the year since we've seen nothing but a further torrent of sheer incompetence (mixed with a dollop of arrogance).

In addition to their recent backflips and U-Turns, oh, and that boastful promise to eradicate illegal immigrants (going SOOOO well?), there is a vastly contentious issue of a proposed new reservoir, out in Oxfordshire, a project that's been around for decades, with a long line of technical objections against it, and a viable alternative for a quicker and much cheaper way to get further water resources.

Reeves, in a speech earlier this year, stated that a new reservoir would be a great idea as it would "help the water companies solve their problems with releasing sewage into rivers and the sea".

That statement is so blindingly stupid that the woman - even by the meagre standards of most national politicians - should have been immediately sacked. It only takes a moment's thought (that she couldn't manage?!) to see that the only way a reservoir helps with sewage is to use it to store the stuff.

NB -- I have no political allegiance, having seen many decades of incompetence, stupidity, and sometimes criminal activity, from all sides of the spectrum.

Reservoirs don’t store sewage Dr Watson, they are for clean water. They do provide the water to enable water/sewage treatment plants to work though, particularly in areas where river levels are low. Therefore there is a direct link, because when water is low, the water companies discharge raw sewage directly into rivers and the sea.

Allsorts

Will the four posters who are in competition with each other, quoting everything each other says and arguing, it's so rude and childish.

Will the four posters do what?

I thought you meant a four poster bed at first! 😁
(Sorry, was that childish?)

DrWatson There is no valid argument that anyone should be made to have a good cry at all.

I don't remember Reeves saying that about reservoirs, perhaps she did, but below is a speech made by Steve Reed last year. I hope he continues to try to improve water services in this country and perseveres where others have failed miserably. However, he has an enormous task ahead of him.


www.gov.uk/government/speeches/steve-reed-speech-on-the-water-special-measures-bill

DrWatson There is no valid argument that anyone should be made to have a good cry at all

Totally agree Allira 👏👏👏

There's a clear argument that Rachel Reeves should be made to be miserable, and have a good cry

Noone should be made to be miserable and have a good cry in politics. They should be held to account which is very far from the same thing! ,

Allira

I thought you meant a four poster bed at first! 😁

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Allsorts couldn’t have meant four poster beds. That would have implied curtains for anyone who offended her.

LizzieDrip

^DrWatson There is no valid argument that anyone should be made to have a good cry at all^

Totally agree Allira 👏👏👏

So do I. Making someone cry is a horrible thing to do, and says a lot about the person who wants to do so.

No idea what Rachel Reeves was crying about and to be honest l dont care and l am not interested.

However she doesn't strike me as the Shrinking Violet type and is definitely one of Keir's girls.

Well for this week.Thst is.

Rachael seens like an ex Girl Guide with no fashion sense and a pussy cat compared to the horrendous appalling and ill informed Angela Raynor.
A Margaret Thatcher clone in the.malking?

Pass the sick bag Alice as Private Eye used to say

God help us if she gets to be PM.

As for Kemi Badenioch she would eat any one for breakfast on dry toast, washed diwn with a cup a cup of cold tea. But at least you with Kemi, you know what she us about.

If you can. Do watch old episodes of the BBC prog The Thick of It. Send up.of the political process with great characters and actord Loads of bad language but hilarious

Am bow getting older myself and think back.to.some of the older respescted women politicians who got things done like the incomparable no nonsense Barbara Csstle

Glad you’re not PM withnobson

The Thick Of It was brilliant 😂

The trouble was, Barbara Castle was ^not ^allowed to get things done. 'In Place of Strife' was so sensible.
Completely ignored.

Barbara Castle; one of the most underrated politicians in recent history.

I had high hopes of her becoming the first female prime minister Maybee - imagine the impact that would have had on the Labour Party! There might even have been a few more after her…Shirley Williams, Margaret Beckett, Harriet Harman?

She was First Secretary of State, I think the first woman and I can’t recall another woman following her , it was the 60’s so sometime ago

When I stay at my partners there are lots of level crossings and we often see lots of containers being transported by rail ( mainly Tescos for some reason).And I always think of Barbara Castle who felt that freight needed to be transported by road and rail because rail was so much better for the environment.