Israel to conquer Gaza. Part 3

Today Israeli abducted Palestinian fishermen as they were fishing for their starving families.

The palistinian fishermen have always been restricted to a very limited area of the sea and risk being shot at if they go beyond the limits set by Israel, despite it being part of Gaza.
Just one example of the power Israel has always held over those who live in Gaza.

Not sure how one of my holiday photos got on my post.

Have not been on Gransnet for some, is not unsurprising that this kind of thread is still garnering so many comments. What is surprising is that things have got so much worse and yet nothing has been done.
I fear the world is standing by whilst the unforgivable is committed.
As a race we are good at looking back at historic crimes against humanity and saying never again but words are cheap and so are the lives of those presently being slaughtered.

Correction have not been on Gransnet for some time

I'm sorry , Babs03 I think you know people who've been affected by this conflict if I'm remembering past posts correctly. How can we let Israel starve Gaza and kill people every time they go to the designated aid posts?
Whichever viewpoint you come from, surely surely ordinary people can see that the world can't standby & let this get any worse?
I feared the lashback after the Hamas terrorist outrage, but never imagined Israel would be allowed to escalate to what they are doing now - indiscriminately killing Gazans and not even bothering to have an enquiry any more when a drone killed 10 children & young men queuing for water. "It was a technical error". So just go ahead as you are & that makes it OK, then?

It's vile.

Did you read Babs03's post properly, valdavi? 🤔

Malnutrition and starvation will soon be killing more than the bombs and bullets.

Both administered by Israel.

Both war crimes.

They are clear and obvious war crimes.

Whats wrong with all the Foreign Affairs people in Western Governments?

When more than 100 aid agencies report there is mass starvation in Gaza and medical aid agencies repeatedly describe the injuries and causes of death of ordinary Palestinians as being inflicted by the IDF how can anyone defend this Israeli government? I wonder how many Israelis agree with this, I can't believe that most will if they are fully informed of what is being done in their name. The situation is beyond belief.

A two state solution is the only effective one. Palestinians would get political satisfaction, and the Arab countries would be able to trade and other benefits from the Abraham Accords

The Abraham Accords are peace agreements signed in 2020 between Israel and several Arab countries—including the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Morocco, and Sudan.

These countries agreed to set aside old hostilities, open embassies, and cooperate on trade, tourism, and security. It marked a big shift, as most Arab states had refused to recognize Israel until it made peace with the Palestinians.

Many Palestinians felt betrayed, as the deals didn’t address their struggle for independence or end the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories.

The name "Abraham Accords" refers to Abraham, a figure shared by Judaism, Christianity, and Islam—symbolizing unity across faiths.

from ChatGPT a few minutes ago

Trustworthy witnesses?
The Catholic Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem said, after visiting Gaza, that Israel's government is pursuing
'an unnacceptable and morally unjustifiable policy' in Gaza.
The full article is in The Guardian online in the Middle East drop down

There was a photo of an emaciated Palestinian boy on BBC website this morning. He is 14 and his arms were like thin sticks.

Aid workers are suffering too from lack of food and say the exhaustion from malnutrition is overwhelming.

Israel has blood on its hands and it will be a difficult stain to remove. If they ever get a more moderate government it will take many years to overcome the stigma of the genocide imposed on the Palestinian people.

Maremia

Trustworthy witnesses?
The Catholic Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem said, after visiting Gaza, that Israel's government is pursuing
'an unnacceptable and morally unjustifiable policy' in Gaza.
The full article is in The Guardian online in the Middle East drop down

I'd say the RC church is sufficiently disinterested to make the Catholic Latin Patriarch trustworthy

foxie48

When more than 100 aid agencies report there is mass starvation in Gaza and medical aid agencies repeatedly describe the injuries and causes of death of ordinary Palestinians as being inflicted by the IDF how can anyone defend this Israeli government? I wonder how many Israelis agree with this, I can't believe that most will if they are fully informed of what is being done in their name. The situation is beyond belief.

This is what puzzles me. I can understand how Germans became Nazis, but at the present time of the World Wide Web how can Israeli people possibly be radicalised.

From what I have read Israelis are only interested in getting the hostages back. Many believe that the IDF don't kill civilians and that food is being restricted so the Hamas can't take it. An Israeli poster on here actually insisted that the IDF didn't kill children.
It must be hard to think that your government is taking part in genocide so better to believe them than the hard truth.

A Canadian doctor in Gaza has said that the nurses are unable to stand through their shifts because of lack of food.
People having operations have a poor outcome because they are so malnourished.
Gazans are saying that the basic items getting through are so expensive that few can afford them. A bag of lentils and a loaf of bread cost 600 shekels (£133)

valdavi

They are clear and obvious war crimes.

Whats wrong with all the Foreign Affairs people in Western Governments?

Am afraid western governments are hog-tied to the US and to placating and turning a blind eye to what the Israeli government does. Israel has been breaking international laws for decades with no sanctions issued.
If any other Middle Eastern country was committing genocide - no matter how the whole thing actually started - western governments would be calling for brutal sanctions and probably regime change.
Such hypocrisy, and support for the unsupportable.
It isn’t just the Israeli government that has blood on its hands but every western government.
But not in my name.

Not in my name either Babs3.

The Jeremy Bowen article in the BBC online covers much of what has been said in this thread, but there is an interesting piece of information about the workings of the Israeli parliament.
The Knesset will very soon recess until October. This will give Netanyahu a break from the constant threat, by the extremists in his govenment, of a vote of no confidence , which would bring down the said government. These extremists do not want a cease fire, and have in the past scuppered deals to this effect.
This gives Netanyahu, that very skilled politician, a two month opportunity.
What will he do?

My hope woukd be something, but my bet is nothing..nothing will change.

Caleo

foxie48

When more than 100 aid agencies report there is mass starvation in Gaza and medical aid agencies repeatedly describe the injuries and causes of death of ordinary Palestinians as being inflicted by the IDF how can anyone defend this Israeli government? I wonder how many Israelis agree with this, I can't believe that most will if they are fully informed of what is being done in their name. The situation is beyond belief.

This is what puzzles me. I can understand how Germans became Nazis, but at the present time of the World Wide Web how can Israeli people possibly be radicalised.

There is much debate about how/why Germans supported Nazism. The fact is that many of them didn't support Nazism, but they turned a blind eye. Anti-semitism was rife throughout Europe and people had been subjected to propaganda that Jews got what they deserved. It's debatable about the extent Germans know what was going on in the extermination camps. There's no doubt they knew Jews were being persecuted from 1933 onwards, but they possibly didn't know about the horrors of the camps from 1942 onwards.

It wasn't just Jews who were persecuted. The Nazis chose to target all sorts of groups who were social pariahs. Again, people were brainwashed into thinking those people got what they deserved. The "Volk" as an institution was promoted and people were persuaded that anybody who threatened that ideal should be exterminated.

I don't think there are direct parallels with what's happening in Palestine/Israel, but there are certainly some. Some people go out of their way to defend the state of Israel, whatever it does. Some Israelis hate Arabs, so they turn a blind eye to what's happening, even if they do know what's going on.

The demonisation of the enemy as sub-human is certainly a strong disastrous parralel.

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