Afghan mess up

Wikipedia describes the town of Epping, population around 12,000, as a small market town located in the Epping Forest District

How would you describe it growstuff ?

GrannyGravy13

Wikipedia describes the town of Epping, population around 12,000, as a small market town located in the Epping Forest District

How would you describe it growstuff ?

A dump, the end of the tube line, the place where my default cancer hospital is situated. It's a typical London commuter suburb.

I'm amazed you feel safe with all those immigrants around .

Your comments always seem designed with controversy in mind to me growstuff
In this case I wonder which leafy paradise you choose to live in.
On the few occasions we have been to Epping I found nothing wrong with it at all.

That is not the Epping I recognise.

Yes, Epping isn't for everyone, but having lived a lot of my life in multi cultural NE London, through necessity, I think people should be proud of their locality. One can only speak as one finds, I feel safe in Epping, but I'm not the parent of a 12 year old school girl.

GrannyGravy13

That is not the Epping I recognise.

You don't live near.

To return to the OP subject, it’s reported in the papers today that one Afghan being resettled here brought 22 family members and many others brought numbers ‘in the teens’.
Further to that, an Afghan man here in the UK brought a court case against the FO and the result was the idiotic judge ruling that a ‘family’ member need not be a blood relation or even a legal family member but that ‘family means different things to different people and cultures’.In other words a family member can be a friend or anything a person chooses.Since that ruling numbers have soared.
That accounts for 36,000 and rising, Afghans being resettled here.There will be many more to come.

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

That is not the Epping I recognise.

You don't live near.

I DID for many years, and was a visiting teacher in a school there.

My DGC were born in Harlow. Now that isn't a quiet little town, despite its being on the doorstep of Epping

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

That is not the Epping I recognise.

You don't live near.

No but we have several friends there and visit frequently.

If it is good enough for Rod Stewart and many other high profile people, its good enough for me.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

That is not the Epping I recognise.

You don't live near.

No but we have several friends there and visit frequently.

If it is good enough for Rod Stewart and many other high profile people, its good enough for me.

😄😄😄 I had no idea that Rod Stewart was a harbinger of good taste - you learn something every day.

I think we need to be open enough to admit, both here in Britain and in Europe there have been cultural problems as to how women and girls have at times been harassed and subjected to sexual assaults from a "sector" of asylum seekers, not wishing to tar all with the same brush. However, the assaults in Cologne and the denials that followed would be an example of obfuscation. As and when an assault occurs that needs to be addressed with openness. I personally question the sincerity of anyone who says they are fleeing persecution and then go on to commit crimes in their host country, surely if you want permission to settle in that country you would obey the laws and respect the culture. Right now, there is a court case of an alleged rape of a young woman in a public toilet in Bournemouth by a Syrian asylum seeker, we know the area and people who live there, there have been problems with asylum seekers since a couple of hotels in Bournemouth have been accommodating them. That's not to say, ALL, and that's also not to say, that the young woman who is bringing this case could just as well have been attacked at the hands of a British male, public toilets, depending on where they are and what time anyone uses them can render women vulnerable. However if her assailant had been home grown, well apart from him being punished appropriately there's nothing that could be done as to expulsion. I do think if an asylum seeker commits a serious crime then they should automatically be deported and possibly local voices need to be heard they won't all be out and and out racists seeking to burn the hotels down but communities have a right to feel their youngsters will be safe, well as safe as they can be in this day and age.

On the wider issue of the op, I absolutely thought we had a duty of care to give the Afghans who did so much for our forces, sanctuary here.

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growstuff

GrannyGravy13

That is not the Epping I recognise.

You don't live near.

No but we have several friends there and visit frequently.

If it is good enough for Rod Stewart and many other high profile people, its good enough for me.

😄😄😄 I had no idea that Rod Stewart was a harbinger of good taste - you learn something every day.

OK good taste .....
Historical figures like Henry VIII, and Queen Elizabeth I were lured to Epping for hunting, and a good feast afterwards
Shakespeare's 'A Midsummer Night's Dream' was first performed at Copped Hall in Epping

It's not a dump.

Tbh I have no idea as it is an area of the country I’ve never visited.

Suffolk is the nearest I’ve got to it. Quite nice there.

escaped I cannot be bothered anymore with the prejudice and snobbery on here regarding Epping.

GrannyGravy13

escaped I cannot be bothered anymore with the prejudice and snobbery on here regarding Epping.

😆
How daft to start a disagreement about a small Essex town!
By the way, Epping's crime rate is lower than the Essex average.

TerriBull good post, I agree.

I did post up thread that it is naive not to acknowledge that different cultures have a totally different outlook towards women.

Obviously not all asylum seekers are going to be sexual predators, just like not all British men are sexual predators.

Females who are unprotected ( by men) or those females who wear Western clothes when the asylum seekers are only used to seeing women swathed in long layers of material are considered as fair game by many cultures. That doesn’t mean that they will all act on it, but some will do.

GrannyGravy13

I do know someone who was there, the locals and parents were not in masks, everything was peaceful, then a mob of outsiders arrived in masks attacking the police and the locals.

My son calls them Rent A Mob. They have professional placards and know exactly where to turn up at the drop of a hat to stick their noses in. All they do is stir things up and aggravate the situation.

Oh, and most of them look like they need a good wash. 😉

Pity there’s a hosepipe ban Primrose53 😁💦💦

Oreo

Pity there’s a hosepipe ban Primrose53 😁💦💦

It's a pity that water cannons are illegal in the UK (othe than Northern Ireland)

Primrose53

GrannyGravy13

I do know someone who was there, the locals and parents were not in masks, everything was peaceful, then a mob of outsiders arrived in masks attacking the police and the locals.

My son calls them Rent A Mob. They have professional placards and know exactly where to turn up at the drop of a hat to stick their noses in. All they do is stir things up and aggravate the situation.

Oh, and most of them look like they need a good wash. 😉

I agree. Racist rent-a-mob thugs are indeed a pain.

escaped

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escaped I cannot be bothered anymore with the prejudice and snobbery on here regarding Epping.

😆
How daft to start a disagreement about a small Essex town!
By the way, Epping's crime rate is lower than the Essex average.

But it's not really a small Essex town. It's a suburb of London. Loughton, Theydon Bois and Epping are a continuum. The hotel in question is right on the outskirts and isn't even officially in Epping. It isn't near any schools. It's been used to house asylum seekers. Before that, it was run down and even the locals say it wasn't very busy. It was possibly running at a loss.

The man charged with sexual offences is in custody (according to the official Essex Police website). Nevertheless, genuinely concerned people are allowed to protest peacefully. It is "fake news" that the people attacking police belonged to Antifa. They belonged to various right-wing groups. At least two were arrested and I understand one has been charged.

There is also fake news on social media that the police were bussing people in. They were actually giving locals lifts in their vans, so they could avoid the violence. One of Tommy Robinson's mates has posted a video, which he thinks shows that "his side" won. What it actually does is provide proof of them intimidating locals. There's a question about he was doing there anyway, if this was only concerned, local parents.

There is actually a background to this. Earlier in the week, a security guard from the hotel was attacked and there were reports of racist shouting outside the hotel (according to Essex Police). "Vox pop" interviews are never representative of all views, but there are reports by locals that the hotel residents have not been a problem. One woman even said that there was more trouble when the building operated as a hotel.

What does any of this have to do with the data breach concerning Afghans?

But it's not really a small Essex town. It's a suburb of London.
Perhaps you'd like to ask that question of those who know:
[email protected].
(Note the word town).
Epping is not a suburb of London. It is part
of themetropolitanandurbanarea of London.

Other posters must find this very boring, but best to set the record straight!