Brexit. We never stood a chance. The elites were against it.

Have I missed a link to what Mr. Schwab actually said about Brexit? The Guardian link has a lot to say about scandals but nothing about Brexit.
I still don't see how a report about 2017 can have anything to say about the impact of Brexit.
Please can somebody enlighten me?

Allira

Going over the arguments for and against Brexit is past its sell-by date, I agree.

However, if, as alleged, organisations such as the WEC have been manipulating data more recently, for whatever reason, surely that is of significance, especially if it is to the detriment of the UK and its economy?

Is Schwab a charlatan, is the WEC a harmful influence on world affairs, are these the questions we should be asking?

Despite its grand title, the WEF is a think-tank and has no official political or economic role. It provides a network for extremely rich and powerful people, but I don't see how anybody could control whom anybody else meets. At least some of what is says trickles through to the media, so it's not entirely opaque.

I see that the Telegraph has a headline about Schwab, which I guess is the source of the OP. I can't read Telegraph articles (because I won't pay for them), so I can't really comment on what was actually said and when because I don't know.

It would appear the accusation of manipulating data is part of a number of allegations made about Schwab, who has now resigned from the WEF.

Ooops! I forgot the link to the article I found:

www.politico.eu/article/wef-boss-klaus-schwab-reveal-davos-switzerland-india-north-africa/

Here's a quote from the article:

"SonntagsZeitung reported that the probe's preliminary findings indicate that Schwab's alleged wrongdoing could include meddling with the Global Competitiveness Report — a now-defunct yearly publication that assessed and ranked countries based on their economic competitiveness. The competitiveness report was discontinued during the Covid-19 pandemic.

Official documents cited by SonntagsZeitung allege that Schwab intervened multiple times to alter or suppress unfavorable rankings for certain countries, particularly in the Middle East and North Africa and in India, allegedly to preserve diplomatic relations or avoid political fallout. In one instance, Schwab reportedly recommended shelving a negative report after discussing it with a government official, according to the newspaper."

It doesn't specifically mention the UK or Brexit, but that doesn't mean that Schwab didn't mention either.

growstuff

MayBee70

It never stood a chance because the vote leave campaign was based on lies and misinformation [eg did anyone mention Ireland at the time??].

Er yes! Plenty of people mentioned Ireland, but I don't remember any answers.

It was just brushed to one side wasn't it. People were too busy talking about fishing.

growstuff

Ooops! I forgot the link to the article I found:

www.politico.eu/article/wef-boss-klaus-schwab-reveal-davos-switzerland-india-north-africa/

And once again nothing will come of the accusations because he knows where all the bodies are buried. Same old, same old, you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours.
Nothing changes except the rewards get bigger 🤬

petra

growstuff

Ooops! I forgot the link to the article I found:

www.politico.eu/article/wef-boss-klaus-schwab-reveal-davos-switzerland-india-north-africa/

And once again nothing will come of the accusations because he knows where all the bodies are buried. Same old, same old, you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours.
Nothing changes except the rewards get bigger 🤬

Well, he's resigned, so something has changed.

MayBee70

growstuff

MayBee70

It never stood a chance because the vote leave campaign was based on lies and misinformation [eg did anyone mention Ireland at the time??].

Er yes! Plenty of people mentioned Ireland, but I don't remember any answers.

It was just brushed to one side wasn't it. People were too busy talking about fishing.

Too busy ... apart from the person who was supposed to represent the UK's fishing interests at the EU, who was presumably too busy with other matters to talk about fishing.

Mamie

Have I missed a link to what Mr. Schwab actually said about Brexit? The Guardian link has a lot to say about scandals but nothing about Brexit.
I still don't see how a report about 2017 can have anything to say about the impact of Brexit.
Please can somebody enlighten me?

Your guess is as good as mine Mamie.

There have been two links posted on here - neither of which refer to Brexit.

One poster is presuming that the thread title and OP refer to something in the Telegraph but, unless the OP comes back to confirm this, we’re all stabbing in the dark🤷‍♀️

growstuff

petra

growstuff

Ooops! I forgot the link to the article I found:

www.politico.eu/article/wef-boss-klaus-schwab-reveal-davos-switzerland-india-north-africa/

And once again nothing will come of the accusations because he knows where all the bodies are buried. Same old, same old, you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours.
Nothing changes except the rewards get bigger 🤬

Well, he's resigned, so something has changed.

Well well.
That is surprising.

LizzieDrip

Mamie

Have I missed a link to what Mr. Schwab actually said about Brexit? The Guardian link has a lot to say about scandals but nothing about Brexit.
I still don't see how a report about 2017 can have anything to say about the impact of Brexit.
Please can somebody enlighten me?

Your guess is as good as mine Mamie.

There have been two links posted on here - neither of which refer to Brexit.

One poster is presuming that the thread title and OP refer to something in the Telegraph but, unless the OP comes back to confirm this, we’re all stabbing in the dark🤷‍♀️

Do you understand what The Global Competitiveness Report is.
data360.worldbank.org/en/dataset/WEF_GCI

The charge is that Schwab rigged the figures so that other counties didn’t want to invest in us or trade with us.
It makes one think that maybe, just maybe there were some very nice rewards from some countries to favour them in the rankings instead of the UK.
Of course this is just my opinion.

Schwab resigned in April earlier this year, so maybe whatever he's alleged to have said and the other accusations aren't connected. I have no idea why it should be headline news three months after his resignation.

Personally, I haven't seen what he reported about the UK. However, I have seen reports that he manipulated the figures for a number of other countries in the Middle East, Africa and India, which have nothing to do with Brexit.

Governments think they are in charge but they are not. It's the extremely wealthy and groups like this which run the world.

It's quite sinister, in fact.

the problem is, Allira, that the less wealthy seem to resist any attempts to, or suggestions that, the very wealthy should have their wealth curtailed and that they should be prevented from acquiring so much wealth in the first place.

The less wealthy are convinced that they need wealthy people to provide them with jobs and to 'create wealth'. This is actually complete nonsense but that's what most seem to believe and there's no shifting that belief, it seems.

It's not so much sinister as very sad...

Yes, I do know what the Global Competitiveness Report is. As I've just pointed out, if the allegations are true, the UK wasn't alone. It wasn't just "us".

The allegations of research tampering are part of a broader internal probe into Schwab's conduct, which also includes claims he misused funds, made suggestive comments to younger staff, and intervened in country rankings for political ends.

Switzerland’s SonntagsZeitung newspaper obtained preliminary findings of the investigation, which is being conducted by law firm Homburger.

growstuff
He’s just handed the gravy boat to the next one.
Much the same as Sepp Blatter did with FIFA.

Homburger is a Swiss law firm which strives for perfection.

MaizieD

^Governments think they are in charge but they are not. It's the extremely wealthy and groups like this which run the world.^

It's quite sinister, in fact.

the problem is, Allira, that the less wealthy seem to resist any attempts to, or suggestions that, the very wealthy should have their wealth curtailed and that they should be prevented from acquiring so much wealth in the first place.

The less wealthy are convinced that they need wealthy people to provide them with jobs and to 'create wealth'. This is actually complete nonsense but that's what most seem to believe and there's no shifting that belief, it seems.

It's not so much sinister as very sad...

I think it is sinister Maizie. In a democracy, every vote is supposed to be equal. Half of the voters in any country are "less wealthy" - by definition. If those people are deluded and voting against their best interest, it is indeed sad for them, but also sinister because those who hold the power have found a way to manipulate democracy, which affects everybody living in the country.

Yes Petra I do understand what The Global Competitiveness Report is.

It has nothing to do with Brexit.

So why is this thread directly linking allegations made against Schwab to Brexit?

petra

growstuff
He’s just handed the gravy boat to the next one.
Much the same as Sepp Blatter did with FIFA.

The WEF doesn't have any official legal mandate. Countries and the people who govern them need to learn to ignore information it provides if it's proven to be unreliable. It's a glorified think tank. The City of London (and other financial centres) has its own financial analysts, who can see through BS - they don't accept the WEF without question. Of course, it's debatable whether the City is on the side of "ordinary people". So whose figures can people trust?

Yes, it is sad that people are ignorant of how it all works ( against the man in the street) but in a perverse sort of way I envy them because once you know you can’t not know what’s going on.

LizzieDrip

Yes Petra I do understand what The Global Competitiveness Report is.

It has nothing to do with Brexit.

So why is this thread directly linking allegations made against Schwab to Brexit?

Oooooh! Good question! Bit like linking what's happening in Epping to Afghanistan and a c*ck up by a British official.

Allira

Going over the arguments for and against Brexit is past its sell-by date, I agree.

However, if, as alleged, organisations such as the WEC have been manipulating data more recently, for whatever reason, surely that is of significance, especially if it is to the detriment of the UK and its economy?

Is Schwab a charlatan, is the WEC a harmful influence on world affairs, are these the questions we should be asking?

Almost certainly! a sinister unelected body with an enormous reach. At the helm Klaus Schwabb looking to all intents and purposes just like the archetypal Bond villain, I suppose he can't help that, still yet another German man with a world vision we had one of those before.