Brexit. We never stood a chance. The elites were against it.

petra

Yes, it is sad that people are ignorant of how it all works ( against the man in the street) but in a perverse sort of way I envy them because once you know you can’t not know what’s going on.

Why wouldn't people want to know what's going on. Many people certainly didn't know what was going on when they voted in the referendum (apart from a few pithy headlines).

Why get worked up about one report that came out 8 years ago. There are lots of economic forecasts coming out every day from one source or another.

Whatever this man said or wanted it did not matter a ajot or a tittle, because there were probably half a dozen other reports came out the same day with a wide range of forecasts and it has been clear from day one that Brexit was a bad mistake.

MayBee70

growstuff

MayBee70

It never stood a chance because the vote leave campaign was based on lies and misinformation [eg did anyone mention Ireland at the time??].

Er yes! Plenty of people mentioned Ireland, but I don't remember any answers.

It was just brushed to one side wasn't it. People were too busy talking about fishing.

Can't you remember BJ promising very clearly that there would be no red tape and no checks at all with NI. One more big lie.

Schwab is no longer at the helm, Terribull.

eazybee

My wish would be to leave the European Convention and Court of Human Rights, as I do not believe in foreign courts ove- ruling our courts. I would wish also not to sacrifice our fishing industry to the greed of the French.
Starmer seems prepared to sacrifice anything British to appease Europe, yet he does not strike me as a Europhile, simply a self-server.

Absolutely agree with you 100%

It was a disaster then it is a disaster now. I was angry at having my freedom of movement stripped away then and I am still livid now😡

Teazel2

eazybee

My wish would be to leave the European Convention and Court of Human Rights, as I do not believe in foreign courts ove- ruling our courts. I would wish also not to sacrifice our fishing industry to the greed of the French.
Starmer seems prepared to sacrifice anything British to appease Europe, yet he does not strike me as a Europhile, simply a self-server.

Absolutely agree with you 100%

You do realise the ECHR actually protects you and me, too?
[becarefulwhatuwishfor]
and Farage was supposed to be protecting the fishing industry and never bothered to turn up...

Yes, let's be like Belarus and Russia and leave the ECHR, because those countries sure do look after the human rights of their citizens. Don't they?

MaizieD

Schwab is no longer at the helm, Terribull.

Thank goodness for that with what has been revealed about him.

Groups such as the WEF have far more influence than we realise, are manipulative and not necessarily benign.

jenpax

It was a disaster then it is a disaster now. I was angry at having my freedom of movement stripped away then and I am still livid now😡

Glad no-one has come and told you 'how boring- it's done, get over it'- perhaps the penny is dropping (Sterling certainly does!). And I did't even start this thread

Claremont

jenpax

It was a disaster then it is a disaster now. I was angry at having my freedom of movement stripped away then and I am still livid now😡

Glad no-one has come and told you 'how boring- it's done, get over it'- perhaps the penny is dropping (Sterling certainly does!). And I did't even start this thread

That's Rachel Reeves' fault in the last few weeks! 😠

No-one is stopping you going to Europe.

Allira

MaizieD

Schwab is no longer at the helm, Terribull.

Thank goodness for that with what has been revealed about him.

Groups such as the WEF have far more influence than we realise, are manipulative and not necessarily benign.

I would agree.
Though it is more of a guess than anything else.

Maremia

Yes, let's be like Belarus and Russia and leave the ECHR, because those countries sure do look after the human rights of their citizens. Don't they?

I would like to think we could manage to leave the ECHR, without turning into them!

escaped

Claremont

jenpax

It was a disaster then it is a disaster now. I was angry at having my freedom of movement stripped away then and I am still livid now😡

Glad no-one has come and told you 'how boring- it's done, get over it'- perhaps the penny is dropping (Sterling certainly does!). And I did't even start this thread

That's Rachel Reeves' fault in the last few weeks! 😠

Sterling has been dropping for years now.

GrannyGravy13

I seem to recall that before Sir Starmer became PM he is on record as saying he puts DAVOS (WEF) ahead of the U.K. parliament…

Keir Starmer was being asked if he put being at the World Economic Forum's Annual meeting (that means it only meets once a year GrannyGravy13) ahead of being in Parliament at that time.

I imagine there are many occasions where each and every PM has put a vital meeting, celebration, funeral, or Act of Remembrance ahead of being in Parliament at the time.

MaizieD

^Governments think they are in charge but they are not. It's the extremely wealthy and groups like this which run the world.^

It's quite sinister, in fact.

the problem is, Allira, that the less wealthy seem to resist any attempts to, or suggestions that, the very wealthy should have their wealth curtailed and that they should be prevented from acquiring so much wealth in the first place.

The less wealthy are convinced that they need wealthy people to provide them with jobs and to 'create wealth'. This is actually complete nonsense but that's what most seem to believe and there's no shifting that belief, it seems.

It's not so much sinister as very sad...

If anyone wants an explanation about how the poor, then governments, loose there assets and that the squeeze is now on the middle-class as the very wealthy continue to suck these assets up, GarysEconomics is back as he explains this progression here.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTlUyS-T-_4 (The Real Reason Why Housing is Expensive)

The Brexiteers were just more wealthy people trying to squeeze assets out of all those, including governments, who are not extremely wealthy. There was nothing waiting for the "average person".

Maizie is right, the middle classes need to realise that they are next and that this would completely change society.

fancythat

Maremia

Yes, let's be like Belarus and Russia and leave the ECHR, because those countries sure do look after the human rights of their citizens. Don't they?

I would like to think we could manage to leave the ECHR, without turning into them!

I would like to think all sorts of things ...

But it doesn't mean they'll happen.

The ECHR protects ordinary citizens from its own governments. Do you really want to give up that kind of protection?

PS. It has nothing to do with EU, so why is it relevant ti this thread?

Allira

No-one is stopping you going to Europe.

There is just about everything stopping people from moving to Europe full-time.

fancythat

Allira

MaizieD

Schwab is no longer at the helm, Terribull.

Thank goodness for that with what has been revealed about him.

Groups such as the WEF have far more influence than we realise, are manipulative and not necessarily benign.

I would agree.
Though it is more of a guess than anything else.

"Groups such as WEF have far more influence than we realise" Especially on matters such as Green issues, of course all the delegates walk there, or jump on a very eco sustainable floating vessel if they have to cross some water, all the way to Davos from wherever they may emanate from just like pilgrims, because their credentials as far as keeping their own personal carbon footprint to a minimum are impeccable. There are some that are so humble they don't even wear shoes when up there on a platform spouting all manner of bollocks telling us as far as unfettered travel is concerned "we could all do better", before they peddle off, or go by camel all the way back to Montecito These are the dudes that really care about global warming so they are certainly not going to fly in, least of all by a gas guzzling private jet and lecture the rest of us prols on our irresponsibility of taking a couple of EasyJet flights every now and then are they? cos it would be soooo hypocritical .

growstuff

Allira

No-one is stopping you going to Europe.

There is just about everything stopping people from moving to Europe full-time.

Two family members have sold up and are moving to Valencia lock stock & barrel next month. A retired fireman and his wife. Did their homework, paid for expert visa advice.
No problema!
✈️

fancythat

Maremia

Yes, let's be like Belarus and Russia and leave the ECHR, because those countries sure do look after the human rights of their citizens. Don't they?

I would like to think we could manage to leave the ECHR, without turning into them!

Hmm. The implications of Farage’s speecch today came immediately to mind. Human rights, pah.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

growstuff

Allira

No-one is stopping you going to Europe.

There is just about everything stopping people from moving to Europe full-time.

Two family members have sold up and are moving to Valencia lock stock & barrel next month. A retired fireman and his wife. Did their homework, paid for expert visa advice.
No problema!
✈️

That's very strange because a friend of mine can only live/stay in an EU country for six months every year. She and her partner actually own a house in Germany, but can't live there full-time. She could get temporary visas, but the issue for them is the health costs. It was the same for my sister when she planned to move to Spain.

TerriBull Mon 21-Jul-25 22:09:24 😂

We're just the little people!

Allira

*TerriBull Mon 21-Jul-25 22:09:24* 😂

We're just the little people!

Of course we are and we always have been. That's why it's so important we're in the same team as all the other little people.