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Israel Committing War Crimes - Israel - Gaza Part 4

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Magenta8 Fri 25-Jul-25 11:08:56

It is very difficult to understand what is really happening and what are lies being perpetrated by Israel or Hamas. Add to this reporting restrictions and it is surprising we know as much as we do.

Wyllow3 Sat 26-Jul-25 16:02:11

Anyone is welcome to PM one to me, its frustrating not getting out to demonstrations, and my brain cant put the right words together.........
......it's overwhelmed by feelings.

Caleo Sat 26-Jul-25 16:17:37

AGAA4

Caleo

The Massacre (or Slaughter) of the Innocents is a story recounted in the Nativity narrative of the Gospel of Matthew (2:16–18) in which Herod the Great, king of Judea, orders the execution of all male children who are two years old and under in the vicinity of Bethlehem.[2] Modern scholarship finds no evidence that it happened outside the passages in Matthew, though it is congruous with Herod's character.[3][4]

I don't think this has anything to do with Gaza. Herod, in the story, was hoping that by killing all baby boys he would kill Jesus.
The only way this equates is that Israel by killing all Palestinians may kill some Hamas.

True. However the baby Jesus represented all the babies who had to come with their parents for a 'census' so the story goes. It was not one specially holy baby that the tyrant Roman and his acolyte Herod feared it was all of the new generation .

Caleo Sat 26-Jul-25 16:19:46

not only one . The House of David was help in high esteem among all the native Jews.

Caleo Sat 26-Jul-25 16:20:16

held

AGAA4 Sat 26-Jul-25 16:22:03

I thought Herod wanted to kill all babies so the son of God would perish too as he was very afraid of him.
This taught in Sunday school Caleo so who knows?

Lesley60 Sat 26-Jul-25 16:30:28

Wyllow3

Anyone is welcome to PM one to me, its frustrating not getting out to demonstrations, and my brain cant put the right words together.........
......it's overwhelmed by feelings.

Lies or not we can all see the pictures of the starving people and children on our screens these people that have shot at them are monsters and war criminals there is no justification for anyone to deliberately starve children to death.

Anniebach Sat 26-Jul-25 16:35:31

Ordered to kill all Jew Male babies , the birth of The King Of
The Jews / Son Of God ,

Why bring Christ’s birth into this attempt of a discussion?

Smileless2012 Sat 26-Jul-25 16:40:26

Herod feared the prophecy that a new king would be born and threaten his role as the ruler of Judea. Knowing that the Magi were looking for this new king of the Jews reinforced his fear and he hoped that the slaughter of all males under the age of 2 in Bethlehem, would eliminate this perceived threat.

He didn't believe the king the Magi were looking for was the son of God.

Caleo Sat 26-Jul-25 16:42:43

Anniebach

Ordered to kill all Jew Male babies , the birth of The King Of
The Jews / Son Of God ,

Why bring Christ’s birth into this attempt of a discussion?

Because Jesus really did live during a brutal occupation of Palestine, two thousand years ago. And I am trying to show that killing innocent babies for a vile purpose is not new,

Maremia Sat 26-Jul-25 16:48:08

I think the aid into Gaza could be your main focus. It also happens to be the 'simplest' to achieve. Just want to get food and medicine in for those people.
We could wait forever and a day for a satisfactory negotiation, hostage release and all else.
How many paragraphs would suit you?
Same message for all recipients?
Thinking cap on, but don't wait for me, if you find your flow.

Caleo Sat 26-Jul-25 16:53:10

AGAA4

I thought Herod wanted to kill all babies so the son of God would perish too as he was very afraid of him.
This taught in Sunday school Caleo so who knows?

What was taught in Sunday school was seldom related by Sunday school teachers to real historical circumstances.

It is a matter of historical fact that Palestinians i.e Jews were deliberately killed by Roman occupiers of Palestine and their Roman Jewish client king Herod.

Maremia Sat 26-Jul-25 17:09:28

Heading out to the shops just now, and will keep thinking.
Points...
Mention the horror you have witness through media outlets, and you are sure they find it equally disturbing
What will you ask the Reader to do? Do you have suggestions?
You can then ask them how you could help with the task above.
Back later.

Anniebach Sat 26-Jul-25 17:25:48

Quote Caleo Sat 26-Jul-25 16:53:10
AGAA4
I thought Herod wanted to kill all babies so the son of God would perish too as he was very afraid of him.
This taught in Sunday school Caleo so who knows?
What was taught in Sunday school was seldom related by Sunday school teachers to real historical circumstances.

It is a matter of historical fact that Palestinians i.e Jews were deliberately killed by Roman occupiers of Palestine and their Roman Jewish client king Herod.

Really, you called it a story
Why be troubled 2,000 years ago , surely the Holocaust is
historical fact , 80 years ago , surely not easily overlooked

Claremont Sat 26-Jul-25 17:26:47

No-one, but no-one, is overlooking it.

Claremont Sat 26-Jul-25 17:28:53

Troubled because many Israeli Jews now, are saying the same. Did you watch and listen to the man in the video I shared, twice. It is vile, and it is NOW- all Palestinians babies and children must die, or they will rape and kill you tomorrow.

Claremont Sat 26-Jul-25 17:29:21

Palestinians are and always were, semites.

Claremont Sat 26-Jul-25 17:30:42

In case you missed it Annie

www.facebook.com/reel/1920327332070660

Wyllow3 Sat 26-Jul-25 19:12:27

Maremia

I think the aid into Gaza could be your main focus. It also happens to be the 'simplest' to achieve. Just want to get food and medicine in for those people.
We could wait forever and a day for a satisfactory negotiation, hostage release and all else.
How many paragraphs would suit you?
Same message for all recipients?
Thinking cap on, but don't wait for me, if you find your flow.

That would be great Maremia, I have a very wide number of connections as online a lot in politics and other chat spaces, (as are wide family and friends and can further spread it and direct it appropriately.

I've asked a Quaker friend to whom should I address the emails, and will pass it on here if its not obvious

but no, cant get it together atm, and no rush. Its good to have a skeleton outline and I agree most people just want to see people getting food, water, shelter, and medical help, most of all.

Wyllow3 Sat 26-Jul-25 19:13:30

And without being afraid of being shot dead or injured while getting help!

Whitewavemark2 Sun 27-Jul-25 07:10:44

I have just watched Jeremy Bowans interview with an American ex-military man, who on retirement joined the IDF.

What he witnessed has been recorded for all to see and hear. It is shocking.

This will undoubtedly be used in any war crime trial.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 27-Jul-25 07:58:35

BBC have just announced that Israel is opening humanitarian corridors into Gaza.

The UN and other agencies will now be able to get aid to those in need.

Along with the U.K. and Jordanian imminent air drops of food, there is at last hope.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 27-Jul-25 08:21:54

There is to be a “tactical pause” in parts of Gaza.

Israel is responding to international pressure. Clearly this has an effect. So now is the time to increase the pressure not ease off.

AGAA4 Sun 27-Jul-25 08:26:04

Letting the lorries through is the best news. The air drops only provide a small fraction of what is needed.
The problems for the Gazans are that the aid consists of mostly carbohydrates and they are desperate for fresh fruit and vegetables.
Israel have had to bend to international pressure. It's been said that this has been a man made famine.

Smileless2012 Sun 27-Jul-25 09:07:21

Pressure needs to be ramped up WWM.

AGAA4 Sun 27-Jul-25 09:17:51

The GHF aid sites are a death trap and aid should only be distributed by the UN.
The GHF held a "women only" day at one of it's sites. A former US soldier said the IDF were firing into the crowd of women and some were killed.