So what do GNs think of Starmer’s decision to recognise Palestine as a state?

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Reply to Phil’s long and carefully and cleverly constructed narrative from the last page on the subject of Statehood:

Yes, you know a heck of a lot of history, but it’s possible to take the same events and put a contradictory spin on them.

As you well know.

Let’s just ask a simple question, shall we

What would any Palestinian - except for a destructive few key figures, who choose annihilation in order to ‘make a point’.

A bit like some in Netanyahu’s cabinet, who are quite happy to sacrifice the hostages

What would Palestinians and their supporters say right now if asked:

“Should there be a Palestinian State?”

I think you surely would concede the answer is

yes

MayBee70

StoneofDestiny

Comparing IRA with Hamas

Why not? They killed, they kidnapped, they were terrorists.

I think people have forgotten the sort of things the IRA did. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but the solution was to recognise the grievances that resulted in terrorism as a last resort and have talks with the terrorists.

I was only thinking if this last night as I watched a programme about Irish films which highlighted a film called The Crying Game which I have never seen.It’s about someone in the IRA who is ‘looking after’ a hostage who knows he is going to be killed ( which he was). Most people remember the bombings but not the other awful things the IRA did.

I think people have forgotten the sort of things the IRA did. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but the solution was to recognise the grievances that resulted in terrorism as a last resort and have talks with the terrorists

Yes - people were uneducated about why the IRA were formed and the injustices they initially were formed to fight having not been listened to by government for many decades. Like most terrorists groups they became part of the problem - a big part. People also forget the horrors inflicted by the Loyalist Terrorists and even the British Army.
However - the point is, common sense prevailed and all sides got round the table to discuss peace.
Even South Africa managed to try and work through issues of Apartheid.

Peace will come at some point - but how many innocents must die first before those in power decide to talk.

So Hamas are in control of Gaza - they are a proscibed terrorist organisation. And we are going to recognise their statehood.

Jordan, Egypt are not helping out so why should we, I wonder.

FranP

So Hamas are in control of Gaza - they are a proscibed terrorist organisation. And we are going to recognise their statehood.

Jordan, Egypt are not helping out so why should we, I wonder.

The point is, I do not believe they are in control of Gaza anymore. Citizens are fed up with them. We have had voices reported from very ordinary people - I recall particularly an older woman standing in the ruins of a clinic and more or less cursing them.

Those voices are quietly and sometimes not so quietly everywhere.

Of course they can see where Hamas, whom they initially trusted, are leading them!

As for why should we help, for goodness sake, have you no humanity?

Not to mention the fact that when Israel became a State and Palestine didnt:

The whole of the area was part of the British Empire. Called, patronisingly, a "protectorate" as if that made it any better.

That's right, we were mainly responsible for the whole sorry business, although of course we were in it with the USA and of course Germany
Do you still think, FranP, we should turn our backs on them?

FranP

So Hamas are in control of Gaza - they are a proscibed terrorist organisation. And we are going to recognise their statehood.

Jordan, Egypt are not helping out so why should we, I wonder.

Eh? Jordan is helping out by dropping aid parcels. Egypt has enough problems of its own without importing any more.

Jordan currently has 527,740 registered refugees and Egypt has 941,625. How many more do you think they can take?

Wyllow3

Not to mention the fact that when Israel became a State and Palestine didnt:

The whole of the area was part of the British Empire. Called, patronisingly, a "protectorate" as if that made it any better.

That's right, we were mainly responsible for the whole sorry business, although of course we were in it with the USA and of course Germany
Do you still think, FranP, we should turn our backs on them?

To be honest, I'm not convinced that the UK is doing much to support Palestine. It's done a couple of aid drops and is now promising to recognise Palestine as a state, but that's it.

IMO the UK's done bugger all along with the rest of the world.

Why are we only now bringing some of the children to this country to be treated?

growstuff

FranP

So Hamas are in control of Gaza - they are a proscibed terrorist organisation. And we are going to recognise their statehood.

Jordan, Egypt are not helping out so why should we, I wonder.

Eh? Jordan is helping out by dropping aid parcels. Egypt has enough problems of its own without importing any more.

Jordan currently has 527,740 registered refugees and Egypt has 941,625. How many more do you think they can take?

Egypt has taken thousands of refugees from Syria, Lebanon, Lybia and more. Its economy and fragile democracy is reluctant to take Palestinian asylum seekers because they fear the Hamas/muslim brotherhood will sneak in an infiltrate

Egypt is very active in supporting attempts to find a solution

So Hamas are in control of Gaza - they are a proscibed terrorist organisation. And we are going to recognise their statehood.

Jordan, Egypt are not helping out so why should we, I wonder

It’s about the people of Gaza - the men, women and children who outnumber the members of Hamas. These people need peace and security to build homes, access medical care, build hospitals and schools and universities to build a future on! This will not come from the Israeli Government who are trying to annihilate them all! They need their own people in their own country to build their own future.

For the love of all that is good and in the name of humanity / stop this genocide. Feed these people and do not let politics and the greed of Israel’s Government and the USA dictate what happens next.

Spot on StoneofDestiny

Aveline

Spot on StoneofDestiny

Yes, and there is NOTHING antisemitic about it.

Well said, stone of destiny

Ditto, well said.

The Conservative Woman has a great article by Daniel Jupp today.

Wyllow3Wed 06-Aug-25 16:53:32You said "Not to mention the fact that when Israel became a State and Palestine didnt:"

I hope Wyllow that you don't think I am being impolite or rude but unless I have misunderstood that comment you have posted (sorry if I have) then that just proves my point about people finding it hard to accept the truth. The Arabs didn't get a State in 1948 because they rejected it, they did not want a 2 state solution, and in the official documents there is no mention of the word "Palastine" The notion of a Palastiane people was invented by Arafat in 1964. The 2nd in command of the PLO stated the invention was merely a means to an end. The end being the destruction of Israel and one Islamic state.

Everyone is entitled & free to express their opinion, (although that could change), but there are some people, even today, whose opinionis that the earth is flat. Does that make the earth flat?

I try to make sure that the information I post are documented facts, not opinion. Of course some of it is my opinion, such as the doubts I have regarding the starvation in Gaza. Suffering and hunger yes, it is a war zone, but starvation, not so sure. To be honest I have never heard of a war in the whole history of mankind where one side has fed the other. My doubts about the starvation are because, as I said earlier, the pictures are not accurate, they are from different countries, times or been cropped to paint a different story. If they try such deceptions, and put out so many lies, how can they be trusted? Where are the pictures of the starving masses? They didn't need journalists to get those pictures into the public domain. After all, they managed to get the fake pictures out and the recent videos out of the really starving hostages.

It would appear that it is hard for us in the "west" to accept the facts of the situation, the whys and wherefores, and to accept the real reason for all this. It seems we look for reasons that help us come to some sort of understanding that is reasonable to us rather than understanding the mindset of those involved. Unless we accept that this war is an ideological war, the roots of which go back to the sayings of a certain prophet then we will never truly understand. There probably will be peace in this area at some point, but only for a time, and then it will kick off all over again. This is because the Jews are back in their home land, they will fight to stay there. No matter what the Islamic nations say today, they can't accept it. I know that bit is my opinion, based on my bais, how I view things, but I do have a basis for it. We, those who post on here, will probably have left our mortal bodies by then or like me have fingers that don't hit the keyboard keys in the order or place that they should.

Phil51 I encourage you to read‘Starving child picture is yet another MSM libel against the Israelis - Daniel Jupp in The Conservative Woman.
Thank you for your post. It needs to be said.

Well said phil51
Even today on the front of a newspaper, it may have been The Guardian but I didn’t actually check there is a large photo under which it says that Gazans are fleeing from a bombed building in the area.
In it there’s a young man at the forefront carrying a slim woman with two women running alongside him.When you enlarge this pic you see other people sauntering past them in the other direction, small groups of men chatting and one on his phone.Looks very like a staged photo.
In this age of staged photo opportunities and actual fake footage it doesn’t do to believe much.

You blame the war on "the sayings of a certain prophet" but later you state that "the Jews are back in their home land and will fight to keep it". Which is straight out of the Old Testament, not recent history.So your argument blames the war on the Koran and Old Testament both
There were some Jews in Palestine before the Zionist movement, but no more than in nieghbouring arab regions or Europe or Russia.

I have closely studied many photos and can’t see any emaciated people or children on the streets of Gaza.
Any children in hospitals are likely to have severe medical conditions.
The only person that looks like someone from Belsen is the Israeli hostage in the tunnel.
I haven’t heard any outcry on here about him of course!

Quote Oreo Thu 07-Aug-25 10:48:22
I have closely studied many photos and can’t see any emaciated people or children on the streets of Gaza.
Any children in hospitals are likely to have severe medical conditions.
The only person that looks like someone from Belsen is the Israeli hostage in the tunnel.
I haven’t heard any outcry on here about him of course!

Agree Oreo