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Israel/Gaza War - Hundreds of Israeli ex-officials appeal to Trump to help end Gaza war

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posset Mon 04-Aug-25 10:46:53

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkznje8nz8o

Much as I dislike Trump I believe he might have enough influence to achieve this.

TheatreLover Fri 08-Aug-25 16:15:08

Claremont

Weaponisation of antisemitism

www.chinadailyhk.com/hk/article/612540

Thank you for this link which made very interesting reading.

Claremont Fri 08-Aug-25 16:15:58

Yes, and it works. As just seen on the previous page.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 08-Aug-25 16:17:21

Claremont

Yes, and it works. As just seen on the previous page.

Yes

AGAA4 Fri 08-Aug-25 16:22:39

I agree.

Trump has made things worse in Gaza with his GHF that Gazans call death traps.

growstuff Fri 08-Aug-25 16:22:51

Oreo

Smileless2012

I think he will continue to support Israel regardless of what the Israeli government does. He has no more care for the Palestinians living there than they do.

Or indeed, hamas.
Am not sure you’re right though as if it goes on too long I think Trump will push for an ending.

Not a good time to be a Palestinian! Trump doesn't have to be as bad as Hamas.

Allsorts Fri 08-Aug-25 16:27:33

Starmer (on the fence) will continue to keep his family happy. Those people in Gaza do not concern the annihilators or their supporters.

Claremont Fri 08-Aug-25 17:23:19

Trump's answer was given. It's up to Israel if they invade Gaza- nothing to do with me.

Diabolical.

LizzieDrip Fri 08-Aug-25 17:26:51

Claremont

Yes, and it works. As just seen on the previous page.

Absolutely!

LizzieDrip Fri 08-Aug-25 18:55:43

Claremont looks like mission accomplished, doesn’t it!

MayBee70 Fri 08-Aug-25 19:33:37

Is it true that Netanyahu is having to appear in court each week for embezzlement?

AGAA4 Fri 08-Aug-25 20:01:37

MayBee70

Is it true that Netanyahu is having to appear in court each week for embezzlement?

He is going through a trial for corruption. Some of the top members of the Knesset have been convicted of crimes.

Dickens Sat 09-Aug-25 12:28:08

Oreo

If everyone would just keep their comments about the conflict in Gaza and the Israeli government to exactly that then it would be so much better for the thread.I sadly don’t think that they will.

The difficulty in keeping the discussion solely on Gaza / the Israeli government, is that the conflict did not spontaneously occur for no apparent reason.

And it is these 'reasons' that are inevitably commented on - how can it be otherwise?

Anti-Semitism is real, I think quite a few have been aware of that fact outside of the current conflict, especially if we have, as I do, a Jewish family member. Inevitably what is happening in Gaza will be seen as a licence for bigots to crawl from under their rocks.

However there is a very distinct line between such individuals and those of us who are critical of Netanyahu and the Israeli government, we are most certainly not the same species. If that's not recognised - understood - then discussions on Gaza will go nowhere. I mean, we can all ask, "what will Trump do next", etc - well, we can read the news media to find out, and just state the bald facts etc as we're fed them.

But then, what point a discussion / debate?

The OP says that, as much as she dislikes Trump, she thinks he might just have enough influence to achieve the end of the Gaza war. And as much as many of us dislike Trump, I can't imagine we'd object if he achieved that. One more dead Palestinian - or Israeli soldier - is one more too many.

But Trump doesn't act alone - in spite of the impression he gives that he does, he is influenced and pressured by lobbyists, there are economic matters to take into account, among other issues.

Unless these wider issues are allowable for discussion - and that includes as I said, very real anti-Semitism, then we are simply going to ask, "can Trump bring about the end of the war in Gaza?" To which the reply is either, "yes, I believe so", or, "no, I don't think he can"... and one might just as well read the various news media to get a view on that.

... so that's what I've been doing and will now bow out of this thread to get a wider view - not that I've contributed much anyway - but if 'staying on topic' means, as I think it does, that matters, the history, etc, that underpin this crisis, are not up for debate, then there's no further point in being on the thread, although it has been an interesting one.

I hope Trump does have the power to put an end to this conflict, I really do.

Smileless2012 Sat 09-Aug-25 13:04:45

If he has the power to do so, I'm not convinced he has the desire.

AGAA4 Sat 09-Aug-25 13:07:58

Trump promised the US that he wouldn't get involved in other countries' wars. He helped Israel with Iran and was in trouble with many back home.
I think he will steer clear of getting involved.

Maremia Sun 07-Sept-25 10:11:47

It is obvious now that Trump can't/won't do anything to help stop the war. Gaza is being demolished as we type, children still starve, but Greta is having another go with her expanded flotilla, and is calling on Starmer to intervene. Not sure what he can do.

Oreo Sun 07-Sept-25 12:02:54

Trump can but won’t is likely a correct statement.The war is in the last stages in Gaza City which is isolated now.It can only be a matter of months to the end of it and hamas.
What comes after that is a moot point but will be preferable to war for the population who must hate hamas for bringing war down upon them by their actions.

Maremia Sun 07-Sept-25 13:08:07

Which population do you mean Oreo? I thought, from news sources, that the plan was to completely remove the Palestinians from Gaza, and give the territory over to 'developers'.
Hope I am wrong about this.

AGAA4 Sun 07-Sept-25 14:55:47

What's left of the Palestinians will be herded into a very small area already overcrowded without the basic necessities like enough food, clean
water or sanitation.
I think Trump may start his comprehensive plan for Gaza then.

Maremia Sun 07-Sept-25 16:29:12

Don't think anyone can rely on Trump for aid. That bombing he did in Iran, to destroy their nuclear capability, and encourage the populace arise against the Regime, has apparently had the opposite effect, according to an article in the Guardian today

Maremia Sun 07-Sept-25 16:56:00

Did Starmer meet the Israeli delegation? Was one of the diplomats on the International wanted list?

Eloethan Sun 07-Sept-25 20:31:06

Why are so many reputable Jewish people saying they hate what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza? Is it because they are anti-Semitic or "self-hating Jews" or is it because they think the complete destruction of Gaza and the indiscriminate bombing, shooting, starving and terrorising of its inhabitants is nothing short of genocide?

Wyllow3 Sun 07-Sept-25 22:51:54

My dear Quaker Friend was arrested today along with many others.

She sent

"I did the Parliament Square witness yesterday against the proscription of PA and, not surprisingly, got arrested. Out on bail.
It was an empowering experience, with lots of hand holding and hugs from other protesters and volunteers from Defend Our Juries. I'm staying on to witness against the Docklands Arms Fair.

👏👏👍

Wyllow3 Sun 07-Sept-25 23:00:44

She's not some heavy duty politico. She is retired, works as a Samaritan 2/3 sessions a week and has done for some time, and cycles everywhere to protect the environment, is of shy disposition unless amongst Friends/friends.

Maremia Mon 08-Sept-25 09:01:01

I hope she is okay Wyllow, but this is how it will go for a while. The proscription is being appealed, but there is now an attempt to block that appeal.

Maremia Mon 08-Sept-25 09:02:12

Just spotted that on the news, that there is to be an Arms Fair in London. 'Red rag to a bull' springs to mind.