Israel/Gaza War - Hundreds of Israeli ex-officials appeal to Trump to help end Gaza war

Anniebach

Quote Wyllow3 Sat 13-Sept-25 10:07:38
And don't dodge the meaning of the image.

it is what it is

Yes, a seriously ill child , no more no less

You really believe I would post any old pic to make a point?
Surely you know me better than that?

here is the source

www.npr.org/2025/08/05/nx-s1-5488798/gaza-baby-starvation-update

In the circumstances, as in "you could have produced any old image"

I feel an apology may be appropriate.

No I didn’t say that Wyllow , I said a child seriously ill, i don’t know why he is so ill, the mother posing him for the camera is so upsetting , she is displaying his legs , arms , torso, sorry but I don’t have your trust in those involved with the photograph.

The've gone too far

Anniebach

No I didn’t say that Wyllow , I said a child seriously ill, i don’t know why he is so ill, the mother posing him for the camera is so upsetting , she is displaying his legs , arms , torso, sorry but I don’t have your trust in those involved with the photograph.

Yet you would trust any image or anything reported about Hamas.
These mothers are agreeing to be photographed with their babies because they are begging for help, they are beyond desperate. You choose not to believe this but believe that every death in Gaza is the fault of Hamas and the Israeli government are blameless.
Hamas are not dropping bunker blasting bombs on innocent civilians or now starving them to death.
They may have initiated the conflict but Israel are the ones committing genocide.
You won’t believe this either but hey ho, your choice.

Enough: lets move to the big pictureOrthodox Jews Join Protest Against Gaza War in Times Square

5 Minute Video
www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=orthodox+jews+protest+%5C%5Cgaza&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:f48d26e0,vid:-UIVdDAiSJE,st:0

Watch and listen, these are not wild lefties but members of a conversational Jewish Community - see them!

Elbit Systems, Israeli weapons production, at the London Fair
A picture tells a thousand words.

Even when the picture was snapped at the early setting up stage.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BBC online headline this morning
'Netanyahu is only obstacle to bringing hostages home, families say'

Last night post was withdrawn because I posted the screen shot not the clearer edited version. I chose the Times for obvious reasons - even middle right papers are now right behind action on Gaza.

Spot on headline there Maremia

Maremia

BBC online headline this morning
'Netanyahu is only obstacle to bringing hostages home, families say'

Yes. Absolutely. His actions have jeopardised the safe return on hostages all along.

Hamas is the sole cause of Any harm done to hostages

Anniebach

Hamas is the sole cause of Any harm done to hostages

I agree, hostage taking is wrong, there is never any excuse for it and I completely condemn Hamas for their actions on 7/10 and for taking hostages. Netanyahu and his government are also wrong in committing genocide in Gaza. Two wrongs never make a right.

Quote foxie48 Sun 14-Sept-25 13:53:11
Anniebach
Hamas is the sole cause of Any harm done to hostages

I agree, hostage taking is wrong, there is never any excuse for it and I completely condemn Hamas for their actions on 7/10 and for taking hostages. Netanyahu and his government are also wrong in committing genocide in Gaza. Two wrongs never make a right.

Who were at fault , Germany or UK WW2 ?

Depends on how you measure "fault" but Germany committed genocide and the UK didn't, Germany also invaded Poland and the UK didn't, Germany bombed Coventry and other cities in the UK, the UK retaliated and bombed German cities, Dresden was very badly damaged. I'm not entirely sure of the point you are trying to make Annie I'm very conflicted by the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, was it necessary? tbh I don't think it was but the US wanted to test the bomb and I've no doubt the UK government knew and approved. Did it bring the war to an earlier end? Probably by only a short time, Japan were already beaten but unwilling to surrender. We could continue playing this game of ping pong endlessly but the bottom line is that Israel won their war a very long time ago and IMO and that of the hostages families, could have got the hostages home by now but that would not suit Netanyahu and his far right extremist government's plans so the slaughter continues and the hostages stay as hostages.

They were never going to sit back and just accept that hostages had been taken. Hamas knew that. They wanted war. Tragically the people harmed the most are innocent women and children . That’s the evil of war. Always was.

Israel declared war on Hamas because Hamas invaded Israel, no ping pong, but fact

Past history has shown that Israel usually negotiates the release of hostages. I don't know what was in the minds of Hamas leaders when they went into Israel on 7/10 but I doubt they expected their actions to result in the death and destruction that Gazans have been subjected to. I can't see an end to it unless Trump stops providing military aid to Israel. What I fear is that the legacy will be a continuation of hostilities and the work that Trump did in putting together the Abraham Accords (some credit has to be given to him !) will be completely shattered for ever, leaving the Middle East in an even worse mess than it was.

foxie48

Past history has shown that Israel usually negotiates the release of hostages. I don't know what was in the minds of Hamas leaders when they went into Israel on 7/10 but I doubt they expected their actions to result in the death and destruction that Gazans have been subjected to. I can't see an end to it unless Trump stops providing military aid to Israel. What I fear is that the legacy will be a continuation of hostilities and the work that Trump did in putting together the Abraham Accords (some credit has to be given to him !) will be completely shattered for ever, leaving the Middle East in an even worse mess than it was.

Most first world countries try to negotiate the release of hostages.
Bombing where the hostages are held has never seemed like a good idea before.

Israel will carry on with it's aim of clearing Gaza. Palestinians are being herded into increasingly smaller spaces.
The bombing of Qatar shows how ruthless they are.
They think that they can eliminate groups like Hamas but they never will. Israel will never be safe now.

I really don’t think that Netanyahu’s plan is even to get rid of Hamas anymore, they know that most if not all military commanders are dead and those left are not as viable a threat. They are intent upon flattening Gaza and herding all Palestinians into overcrowded camps in the South ringed by the IDF.
This is no secret, it has been made clear what Netanyahu and his cronies intend to do.
Then presumably the main part of Gaza will be developed by Israel and the US for Israeli settlers or - in Trumps case - turned into a vegas style holiday resort.

I repeat what I posted above, Netanyahu is the stumbling block. Those hostages were taken by Hamas, yes, we all know that. Nobody is disputing that fact.
As leader of his country, it was Netanyahu's job to get them back. He has failed, and continues to do so. Wrong decision after wrong decision.

AGAA4 Sun 14-Sept-25 15:02:11
Israel will carry on with it's aim of clearing Gaza. Palestinians are being herded into increasingly smaller spaces.
The bombing of Qatar shows how ruthless they are.
They think that they can eliminate groups like Hamas but they never will. Israel will never be safe now.

Israel is the sole Jewish State,Jews have never been allowed to be/feel
safe, 1948 Israel sole Jewish State, 1948, 5 Arab countries declare war on Israel 1948

And Netanyahu's genocide is making it even more unsafe.