Palestine Action Protest

I very much doubt that Yvette Cooper took the decision to proscribe them in a ‘cavalier’ manner btw.

StoneofDestiny

You can protest, just don’t hold up a sign saying you support a proscribed group. Easy.

Exactly what I was coming into say StoneofDestiny.

Common sense at work.

As has been posted Palestine Action Group are a proscribed terrorist group, their supporters will be treated the same as any other proscribed group.

Are posters advocating breaking the law?

They are not the ones who are committing war crimes and a genocide. Do I think that painting a military plane was a good idea, NO. But I can understand the said planes were seen as supporters of the above and as such I understand the action, if if I don't condone it. The ones who did this are a tiny number of the protesters.

But like many, as explained above by Whitewave- I am very concerned that the ban is wrong, and feels like shutting down protest about this unfolding genocide, in a way one would expect from North Korea.

Quote GrannyGravy13 Sat 09-Aug-25 08:49:49
As has been posted Palestine Action Group are a proscribed terrorist group, their supporters will be treated the same as any other proscribed group.

Are posters advocating breaking the law?

Yes

Posts crossed GG13- I think it is totally fair for many to question why the group has been proscribed as a terrorist group.

As I say I have no firm opinions on the matter except to say that I am by instinct very protective of our democratic right to protest.

I think it no bad thing to be tested in court.

As to breaking the law, that is entirely up to the individual.

Claremont

Posts crossed GG13- I think it is totally fair for many to question why the group has been proscribed as a terrorist group.

Of course, but don’t encourage people to join in as you already have on the first page of the thread.

Whitewavemark2

As I say I have no firm opinions on the matter except to say that I am by instinct very protective of our democratic right to protest.

I think it no bad thing to be tested in court.

As to breaking the law, that is entirely up to the individual.

Do you feel the same about ISIS, Daesh, Hezbollah?

I think we have to trust our secret services, who know more than us.

GrannyGravy13

As has been posted Palestine Action Group are a proscribed terrorist group, their supporters will be treated the same as any other proscribed group.

Are posters advocating breaking the law?

Yes, I believe definitely there are times when conscience demands you break the law

There are many historical examples of this happening in the UK. Some actions at Greenham Common , or at Faslane, were/are illegal and I support them

As long as no one is harmed by that action and the person is not spreading illegal propaganda I think this one of the occasions.

Ie, their action is as benign as the other people taking part.

I'm excluding people of course who have committed acts that have harmed in past actions

There is the normal pro Palestine protest today and then there will be those joining in the Action Palestine group, so nobody has to support a proscribed group.What they’re hoping is to overwhelm the police, but the police say they’re ready for them.

Wyllow3

GrannyGravy13

As has been posted Palestine Action Group are a proscribed terrorist group, their supporters will be treated the same as any other proscribed group.

Are posters advocating breaking the law?

Yes, I believe definitely there are times when conscience demands you break the law

There are many historical examples of this happening in the UK. Some actions at Greenham Common , or at Faslane, were/are illegal and I support them

As long as no one is harmed by that action and the person is not spreading illegal propaganda I think this one of the occasions.

Ie, their action is as benign as the other people taking part.

I'm excluding people of course who have committed acts that have harmed in past actions

Any ‘benign’ people supporting them will be supporting their past violent actions and any present or future ones.

fancythat

Thank you for that.

Must be just me.
I think peaceful protests whould be allowed in the Uk about anything. I think.

Absolutely so!

We are supposed to be a country that supports freedom of speech, etc.

It feels so wierd that some people are trying to restrict our traditional rights.

The whole history of social progress in the UK is littered with actions that at the time were illegal but have now become legal.

I'd say it was a proud part of what it is to live in the UK, that individual acts of conscience are generally understood (well, I thought so before reading some of the posts above) to be part of our democracy, when as I say, they do no harm, and often have a deal of grass roots support.

Since we dont have a written constitution regulating these matters, and out laws have been a "making it up as we went along" ie often laws are changed by precedent.

People break the law protecting trees, trying to stop a road coming through their village, it happens a great deal.

I think that if a group (whoever they are) deliberately damages the defence system of a country that is a hostile action and has to be treated as such.

It doesn’t just affect what we might or might not do in Gaza. It leaves us open to hostile action from other countries - Russia for one. Who are constantly testing our defence systems for vulnerabilities.

A number of those taking action in the name of Palestine will not be at all concerned with what is happening there, other than as a vehicle for their own purpose. It’s naive to assume otherwise.

So a Government has to take the measures they believe are necessary for the countries security, even if those measures appear to run counter to other principles.

None of us are party to the security information which prompted Palestine Action to be proscribed a terrorist group.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

As I say I have no firm opinions on the matter except to say that I am by instinct very protective of our democratic right to protest.

I think it no bad thing to be tested in court.

As to breaking the law, that is entirely up to the individual.

Do you feel the same about ISIS, Daesh, Hezbollah?

I think we have to trust our secret services, who know more than us.

Blimey!
😄😄

Spraying paintings on display in art galleries.

Blocking roads which prevents ambulances reaching someone in need

Spraying paint on schools, political party offices etc

Acceptable ?

Lathyrus3

I think that if a group (whoever they are) deliberately damages the defence system of a country that is a hostile action and has to be treated as such.

It doesn’t just affect what we might or might not do in Gaza. It leaves us open to hostile action from other countries - Russia for one. Who are constantly testing our defence systems for vulnerabilities.

A number of those taking action in the name of Palestine will not be at all concerned with what is happening there, other than as a vehicle for their own purpose. It’s naive to assume otherwise.

So a Government has to take the measures they believe are necessary for the countries security, even if those measures appear to run counter to other principles.

None of us are party to the security information which prompted Palestine Action to be proscribed a terrorist group.

Good comment 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Anniebach

Spraying paintings on display in art galleries.

Blocking roads which prevents ambulances reaching someone in need

Spraying paint on schools, political party offices etc

Acceptable ?

Pouring paint into the engines of military aircraft after breaking in to Brize Norton.

Quote Oreo Sat 09-Aug-25 09:33:26
Anniebach
Spraying paintings on display in art galleries.

Blocking roads which prevents ambulances reaching someone in need

Spraying paint on schools, political party offices etc

Acceptable ?
Pouring paint into the engines of military aircraft after breaking in to Brize Norton.

Damaging aircraft is acceptable it seems

I am totally supportive of peaceful protest (and have taken part in several n my time) but anything that causes damage is not peaceful.

I look back to Greenham Common. Today I suppose protesters would be cutting the wire and throwing thing instead of hanging their babies bootees on the fence.

Then defensive action would have ensued. We would have been banned. So less effective.

Which leads me to believe that those causing damage are either fools or have other motives.

Lathyrus3

I am totally supportive of peaceful protest (and have taken part in several n my time) but anything that causes damage is not peaceful.

I look back to Greenham Common. Today I suppose protesters would be cutting the wire and throwing thing instead of hanging their babies bootees on the fence.

Then defensive action would have ensued. We would have been banned. So less effective.

Which leads me to believe that those causing damage are either fools or have other motives.

Exactly that, those with darker motivations and well meaning old people who are very foolish, and anarchists and those on the edge of society looking for excitement.It will be a real ragbag of people.
Who funds this group? Not Iran by any chance?

👏👏👏 Lathyrus3 Yes peaceful protesting is fine, causing damage is not

Holding a flag is not causing any damage, is it?

As Willow says, protesting, with some damage, and in the case of suffragettes, even death, has a very long tratiion in the UK 'There are many historical examples of this happening in the UK. Some actions at Greenham Common , or at Faslane, were/are illegal and I support them'

so do I.

I do not support massive climate and environmental damage to our earth and its people, my grandchildren, yours and all the grandchildren of the world who will inherit this disaster. Nor do I support Israel's genocide and illegal take over of the land of Palestine, after flattening it and killing around 60.000 so far.

By comparison, the damage done by Palestine Action Group is minuscule- and as the Government is not listening and continuing to support Netanyahu- then I can understand why some feel big and bold and very visible actions are necessary. Even though I do not condone them.

We constantly talk about the need to keep up very British traditions - not shut them down.

GrannyGravy13

As has been posted Palestine Action Group are a proscribed terrorist group, their supporters will be treated the same as any other proscribed group.

Are posters advocating breaking the law?

Absolutely not.

But I agree with Whitewavemark2 first paragraph at 05.46am