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Unfolding Genocide

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 13-Aug-25 13:51:55

BBC report

“Israel has faced mounting criticism over the 22-month-long war with Hamas, with UN-backed experts warning of widespread famine unfolding in the besieged territory.

On Tuesday members of an international group of former leaders known as "The Elders" for the first time called the war in Gaza an "unfolding genocide" and blamed Israel for causing famine among its population.

Following a visit to the Gaza border, Helen Clark and Mary Robinson, a former prime minister of New Zealand and a former president of Ireland, said in a joint statement: "What we saw and heard underlines our personal conviction that there is not only an unfolding, human-caused famine in Gaza. There is an unfolding genocide."

Whitewavemark2 Wed 20-Aug-25 17:15:35

Babs03

Correction - perhaps they see their deaths as less important

1 Israeli death = 50 Palestinian deaths apparently according to Maj. Gen. Haliva.

Palestinians are lesser than Israelis

But didn’t God say that man is born equal in the eyes of the Lord?

ronib Wed 20-Aug-25 17:23:07

God also said Thou shalt not kill. God got lost along the way.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 20-Aug-25 17:25:44

ronib

God also said Thou shalt not kill. God got lost along the way.

Not according to Ben Gvir and Smotrich who always explain their murderous actions by reference to the Tanakh.

ronib Wed 20-Aug-25 17:32:09

That’s two men’s interpretation. The Torah says thou shalt not murder. There’s also the concept of a just war. The removal of Hamas probably falls into this category.

Oreo Wed 20-Aug-25 17:39:31

Smileless2012

^It well become a pariah country and may eventually lose it its democratic status^ Israel shall reap as it has sewn.

How very Biblical of you.
It’s sown btw

Oreo Wed 20-Aug-25 17:40:17

Whitewavemark2

Babs03

Correction - perhaps they see their deaths as less important

1 Israeli death = 50 Palestinian deaths apparently according to Maj. Gen. Haliva.

Palestinians are lesser than Israelis

But didn’t God say that man is born equal in the eyes of the Lord?

Gentiles always assume every Jew is religious.We aren’t.

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Aug-25 17:43:34

Gentiles always assume every Jew is religious no they don't.

Oreo Wed 20-Aug-25 17:45:05

Babs03

AGAA4

Babs03 I believe this is true. It's very sad that people think some lives are more important than others.

A family member of ours who is Lebanese said that they have a saying in that neck of the woods - ‘one Israeli life is equal to one thousand Palestinians’
And I think we see that quite clearly played out on a daily basis.

Well they would say that wouldn’t they? The Lebanese dislike Israel and have allowed Hezbollah to rule them more or less until recently.

Oreo Wed 20-Aug-25 17:45:30

Smileless2012

^Gentiles always assume every Jew is religious^ no they don't.

They do on here!

Babs03 Wed 20-Aug-25 17:46:16

Smileless2012

^Gentiles always assume every Jew is religious^ no they don't.

Ditto. I know that many Jews like many Muslims and many Christians, are non practising.

silverlining48 Wed 20-Aug-25 17:46:44

We all know the maths
1,200 dead on 7 October
62,000 and counting, since then. Plus many more thousands seriously injured.

Hugely disproportionate, but every one of them were people just like us, getting on with their lives, with children and families, hopes and dreams, tears and fears. It’s a tragedy for them and for us all.

Oreo Wed 20-Aug-25 17:49:52

Not all were like you or us you know.Hamas members and their thousands of supporters certainly weren’t.

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Aug-25 17:50:34

Maybe some do on here Oreo but I'm on here and I don't, and GN members make up an incredibly tiny percentage of Gentiles.

silverlining48 Wed 20-Aug-25 17:51:01

Oh dear.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 20-Aug-25 17:53:56

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

Babs03

Correction - perhaps they see their deaths as less important

1 Israeli death = 50 Palestinian deaths apparently according to Maj. Gen. Haliva.

Palestinians are lesser than Israelis

But didn’t God say that man is born equal in the eyes of the Lord?

Gentiles always assume every Jew is religious.We aren’t.

No I certainly don’t believe that every Jew is religious.

But Ben Gvir and Smotrich are acting on their faith and have a huge influence on government action

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Aug-25 17:55:05

hmm well they're claiming to act on their faith WWM.

silverlining48 Wed 20-Aug-25 18:07:03

I don’t assume anything about anyone. I don’t know what religion some of my friends are. It just hasn’t come up in conversation. No one mentions going to church, mosque, temple or synagogue etc so can only assume that like me they follow no particular religion.
Jewish people have hardly been mentioned on these threads and of course I don’t believe they are all religious. Why woukd they be.
It’s the Israeli government that has been consistently criticised, not the people.

TheatreLover Wed 20-Aug-25 18:30:34

Oreo

Smileless2012

It well become a pariah country and may eventually lose it its democratic status Israel shall reap as it has sewn.

How very Biblical of you.
It’s sown btw

I thought it was considered ill-mannered to correct another poster's spelling and/or grammar on Gransnet?

Oreo Wed 20-Aug-25 18:40:36

It may well be TheatreLover but it’s always good to show the actual spelling IMO as the two words have different meanings.

Oreo Wed 20-Aug-25 18:44:14

silverlining48

I don’t assume anything about anyone. I don’t know what religion some of my friends are. It just hasn’t come up in conversation. No one mentions going to church, mosque, temple or synagogue etc so can only assume that like me they follow no particular religion.
Jewish people have hardly been mentioned on these threads and of course I don’t believe they are all religious. Why woukd they be.
It’s the Israeli government that has been consistently criticised, not the people.

The Israeli government will be made up of the religious and of agnostics and atheists .

Oreo Wed 20-Aug-25 18:49:02

I only point that out as there are various posts on here mentioning God and religion in regards to the Israeli government.

Babs03 Wed 20-Aug-25 18:55:23

‘Well they would say that wouldn’t they? The Lebanese dislike Israel and have allowed Hezbollah to rule them more or less until recently.’

A quick history lesson Oreo from someone who may know a tad more than you about Lebanon.
Lebanon has been ripped apart by sectarianism for many decades, the Sunni Muslims hate Hezbollah who are Shi’ite and live in the South where they don’t mix with Sunni Muslims, then there are a sizeable number of Christians, just under half the population, who don’t get along very well with either Sunni or Shi’ite Muslims.
There is a government - not Hezbollah - who should represent both Muslims and Christians in order to keep an uneasy peace.
However, due to the economy being wrecked and the government accused of corruption, there is little in the way of governance.
Am afraid Hezbollah are just another thorn in the side to the long suffering Lebanese people.

Oreo Wed 20-Aug-25 19:01:42

I know all that and more, the government there had Hezbollah members and nothing much got done without their say so.They had been firing missiles into Israel from day one after the October massacre by hamas of Israeli citizens in support of hamas.So whatever ‘they say’ about Israelis is totally biased rubbish.

Babs03 Wed 20-Aug-25 19:12:58

Oreo

I know all that and more, the government there had Hezbollah members and nothing much got done without their say so.They had been firing missiles into Israel from day one after the October massacre by hamas of Israeli citizens in support of hamas.So whatever ‘they say’ about Israelis is totally biased rubbish.

It isn’t Hezbollah saying that ‘one Israeli life equals one thousand Palestinians’, it is ordinary people, Muslims and Christians.
Equating what ordinary people say or feel with Hezbollah is your problem, you don’t see the ordinary people caught up in this, all you see is the enemy.

silverlining48 Wed 20-Aug-25 19:21:42

Oreo Of course government is made up of all denominations and none and these as a group are responsible for decisions made.
Thought everyone knew that but thanks for pointing it out.

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