Setting a precedent?

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I'm sure KS knows his legal stuff, the outcome should be interesting. I guess he's hoping it won't be an egg on face situation.
Out of interest, I don't think he has set foot in Epping yet.

escaped

I'm sure KS knows his legal stuff, the outcome should be interesting. I guess he's hoping it won't be an egg on face situation.
Out of interest, I don't think he has set foot in Epping yet.

Just what I asked about KS on my post at 12.55.
He should be out there listening to people not skulking away and ignoring them.

KS possibly thinks that his appearance would give more weight to the protestors concerns.
Would you turn up to face a crowd of people demanding to know why from their POV, you’re not doing anything about their concerns?

Mollygo

KS possibly thinks that his appearance would give more weight to the protestors concerns.
Would you turn up to face a crowd of people demanding to know why from their POV, you’re not doing anything about their concerns?

Sir Starmer is PM, he is the boss and as we all know that’s where the proverbial buck stops…

Yep Allira, that’s why I switched to the Tories- look how that turned out.

We already have them living quite near us Casdon. Police are never away from the place. We have to put up & shut up to appease the do-gooders.

MaizieD

^I can't remember a Government so out of touch with the people they are elected to represent.^

Well, that’s odd because I can, having lived through the 15 years of the tory governments which brought us to the state we’re in now. Did they really get elected to freeze wages, cut benefits and destroy public services by underfunding them?

I know Labour have been surprisingly bad, but their predecessors weren’t any better.

Nor their predecessors! Blair’s government

butterandjam

windmill1

Hordes, and I mean hordes, of single fighting age young men, dispersed amongst the population in HMO's?

No thanks.

They have already shown what little - if any - regard they have for women by abandoning their own kind to poverty, persecution and abuse,

AIUI, many of those "fit young men" have been chosen and funded by their family back home, to be sent at huge expense to the affluent west in the hope they are young, resilient and tough enough to make a living there, and send money back home.

Far from having cowardly "deserted" their family, they've "gone west" as pioneers; just like the early emigrants to America and Canada (who were often the poor and desperate from Europe and Britain).

Or, closer to home and in time; look at all the single migrants who came to Britain after WW2 from The Caribbean, India, Pakistan. They had left behind their families including small children, because they were the designated family member most likely to "make it" in a cold country thousands of miles from home. But often at huge cost to themselves ; lonely, resented and rejected by the new country. Their assimilation and acceptance took decades.

I don't defend any crooks and criminals among the new migrants; but we should all try to remember that sometimes the most desperate and dangerous aspects of political and economic migration actually marks out the best qualities in young people; ambition, fearless determination to risk everything for a better future; and for the family they left back home.

Well done butterandjam! I could imagine my sons leaving a war torn country for a better life. It’s the luck of where you are born - just geography. But a lot of people just don’t appreciate how lucky they are to live in a relatively safe country and are unable to empathise or try to put themselves in another person’s shoes. When the world is unstable with war migration happens and we have to learn to cope. We are lucky to live here even if we don’t always feel it.

I could imagine my sons leaving a war torn country for a better life.

How insulting is that to the memory of all those brave young men (and women) who fought for our freedom in WW2, some leaving behind widows and young children. My father came back, my father-in-law did not.

They did not run away to Canada, Australia or wherever and leave the women and children to fend for themselves. Those who could not join the Forces did their bit in other ways too.

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I could imagine my sons leaving a war torn country for a better life.

Yes, we are - and why is that?

Wrong quote.

We are lucky to live here even if we don’t always feel it.

Yes, we are - and why is that?

Allira

^I could imagine my sons leaving a war torn country for a better life.^

How insulting is that to the memory of all those brave young men (and women) who fought for our freedom in WW2, some leaving behind widows and young children. My father came back, my father-in-law did not.

They did not run away to Canada, Australia or wherever and leave the women and children to fend for themselves. Those who could not join the Forces did their bit in other ways too.

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Oh for gods sake! It’s not the same and you know it. A lot of these people are fleeing countries with no infrastructure or organisation - just chaos. Their countries have been taken over by warring factions 🤬

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Oh dear.

Yes, you touched a nerve too.
You are only free because of those brave young men who gave their lives for you but I expect you're too young to know or even care.

Won't be looking at any responses

Yes, I know.

We were aware of conflict and many of us were raising money for famines there before, probably, you were born.

It's depressing that nothing has changed. I don't know whsat the answers are but, certainly, the UN seems to be ineffectual.

Yes, we've cried tears over Ethiopia, my mother told us about starving children in Africa and India when I was a child and we raised money at Sunday school even then.

Nothing changes.

I've supported Syrian refugees and no, do not level accusations of racism at me, please, as you have no idea who I am.
Thanks.

Allira

Oh dear.

Yes, you touched a nerve too.
You are only free because of those brave young men who gave their lives for you but I expect you're too young to know or even care.

They were fighting fascism, I'm not sure they'd be proud of the mobs threatening to burn hotels.

Allira

^I could imagine my sons leaving a war torn country for a better life.^

How insulting is that to the memory of all those brave young men (and women) who fought for our freedom in WW2, some leaving behind widows and young children. My father came back, my father-in-law did not.

They did not run away to Canada, Australia or wherever and leave the women and children to fend for themselves. Those who could not join the Forces did their bit in other ways too.

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The people looking for asylum are looking to escape being attacked by their own country not another one Allira.

PoliticsNerd

Allira

I could imagine my sons leaving a war torn country for a better life.

How insulting is that to the memory of all those brave young men (and women) who fought for our freedom in WW2, some leaving behind widows and young children. My father came back, my father-in-law did not.

They did not run away to Canada, Australia or wherever and leave the women and children to fend for themselves. Those who could not join the Forces did their bit in other ways too.

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The people looking for asylum are looking to escape being attacked by their own country not another one Allira.

Oh dearie me, how come I never realised that ......

70+ years of helping and where are we now?

Mt61

We already have them living quite near us Casdon. Police are never away from the place. We have to put up & shut up to appease the do-gooders.

There was a lengthy post on our regional newspaper page from a 50 year old man who has lived in a social housing flat for 20 years very happily.

He says the last 18 months have been hell since asylum seekers were housed in his block. He says they smoke weed all day both inside and outside and since the weather has been hot the stink comes into his flat. They don’t speak English so don’t mix at all. They don’t work and just hang around smoking and playing loud music. They have lots of visitors from their own culture so there is shouting, door slamming, even louder music etc.

Allira

Yes, we've cried tears over Ethiopia, my mother told us about starving children in Africa and India when I was a child and we raised money at Sunday school even then.

Nothing changes.

I've supported Syrian refugees and no, do not level accusations of racism at me, please, as you have no idea who I am.
Thanks.

I remember sitting with my kids watching Geldof and co appealing for money for the starving kids. We were all crying and I donated more money than I could afford. About a week’s housekeeping, so we had a very lean week thereafter.

Nothing much has changed though.

What is a do gooder please? Nobody seems to be able to tell me.

Surely most people with a shred of humanity move through this troubled world trying to do a tiny bit of good here and there.

What is a do gooder please? Nobody seems to be able to tell me.
No idea, but as long as I'm not a badder, that's OK.