Setting a precedent?

When did I say I would mind if they lived next to me, we already have hmos near here.

Iam64

Allira, my impression is the govt recognises the concerns people are expressing.

Well, they aren't listening to farmers.

my impression is the govt recognises the concerns people are expressing

Tell that to the farmers. Or the parents who, although on modest incomes, have chosen to send their children to a private, specialist school that best addresses their child's special needs. Or the people who were employed in the hospitality industry and were suddenly, and without warning, told that their services were no longer needed because the hotels they worked in were now only for asylum seekers and receptionists, cleaners, porters and chefs were no longer required. And do you really think that Starmer will listen to all the single parents, families, the homeless or ex servicemen who've been on the social housing waiting list for decades, that they're being moved even further down the priority list because all available housing will be needed for displaced asylum seekers? As Sky News reports; if Starmer thinks things are difficult now, they'll get a hell 9f a lot worse if he goes down that route.

news.sky.com/story/the-latest-migration-stats-are-going-in-the-wrong-direction-and-the-argument-might-get-more-vicious-13415839

Laboutine

^my impression is the govt recognises the concerns people are expressing^

Tell that to the farmers. Or the parents who, although on modest incomes, have chosen to send their children to a private, specialist school that best addresses their child's special needs. Or the people who were employed in the hospitality industry and were suddenly, and without warning, told that their services were no longer needed because the hotels they worked in were now only for asylum seekers and receptionists, cleaners, porters and chefs were no longer required. And do you really think that Starmer will listen to all the single parents, families, the homeless or ex servicemen who've been on the social housing waiting list for decades, that they're being moved even further down the priority list because all available housing will be needed for displaced asylum seekers? As Sky News reports; if Starmer thinks things are difficult now, they'll get a hell 9f a lot worse if he goes down that route.

news.sky.com/story/the-latest-migration-stats-are-going-in-the-wrong-direction-and-the-argument-might-get-more-vicious-13415839

A very good post. I didn't vote for Labour or Reform come to that but we are stuck with one and have the likelihood of being stuck with the other in the not too distant future.
I can't remember a Government so out of touch with the people they are elected to represent.

I can't remember a Government so out of touch with the people they are elected to represent.

Well, that’s odd because I can, having lived through the 15 years of the tory governments which brought us to the state we’re in now. Did they really get elected to freeze wages, cut benefits and destroy public services by underfunding them?

I know Labour have been surprisingly bad, but their predecessors weren’t any better.

Sarnia As you didn't vote Labour, you shouldn't really be surprised that the current government doesn't seem to represent you.

I knowno lots of people who did vote Labour a few have openly expressed their shock and disgust about them in government. Others just keep quiet and look somewhat sheepish when KS etc. are mentioned.

It's no surprise to me they cocked up so dramatically they were the worst opposition party in my lifetime. Then the stupid freebies they felt entitled too. How idiotic.

It saddens me because I was and still want to be a Labour voter. My poor old school shop steward dad is spinning in is grave.

Shop steward

Ignore other mistakes please I should be focusing on minding the DGC!

What this government is demonstrating is that none of them can be trusted. Each comes in laden with criticisms of the previous government and promising that they can do better.
Each proves to be unable to solve the problems they criticised the previous government for causing or being unable to solve.
The ardent supporters ignore or excuse the failures, immediately referring back to the previous government, and trumpet any perceived successes.
And so it goes . . .

Remember Robert Jenrick?

news.sky.com/story/did-robert-jenrick-really-boast-about-opening-hotels-for-asylum-seekers-13415335

I think the best way to judge any government is in retrospect. The legacy they leave behind, in law and state of the nation is easier to judge than the present, with all its tribulations. After a governmental term is completed, and after the furore of the elections it is then possible to evaluate performance objectively.

Mollygo has it spot n!

They all talk the talk in opposition but actually being in Government is quite, quite different.

Yes, I voted for Labour and yes, I am disappointed in them so far.

Casdon

I think the best way to judge any government is in retrospect. The legacy they leave behind, in law and state of the nation is easier to judge than the present, with all its tribulations. After a governmental term is completed, and after the furore of the elections it is then possible to evaluate performance objectively.

The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones

I don’t think that’s true for governments Allira? The assessments of individuals yes, but not the impact on society of the actions they take.

Casdon

I don’t think that’s true for governments Allira? The assessments of individuals yes, but not the impact on society of the actions they take.

I know Tony Blair is still with us - but what do most people remember about his Government?
The Iraq war.

Devolution? Good Friday Peace Agreement? The Blair government made some lasting changes which are still with us. We get hung up on individuals far too much.

Iam64 - Where did you get your rose coloured spectacles? I'd like to get some

Valdavi - "coming up with new "knee-jerk" demogogic initiatives every few months, only to ditch them for something else if the people continue to express concerns."
Hasn't Keir Starmer done a number of U-turns?? Seems the same as what you are blaming the Tories for

Casdon

I don’t think that’s true for governments Allira? The assessments of individuals yes, but not the impact on society of the actions they take.

The impact on society of Gordon Brown for example!

Mamardoit

I knowno lots of people who did vote Labour a few have openly expressed their shock and disgust about them in government. Others just keep quiet and look somewhat sheepish when KS etc. are mentioned.

It's no surprise to me they cocked up so dramatically they were the worst opposition party in my lifetime. Then the stupid freebies they felt entitled too. How idiotic.

It saddens me because I was and still want to be a Labour voter. My poor old school shop steward dad is spinning in is grave.

Same here. My Dad was Labour through and through as were all our neighbours. When I was old enough to vote I used to go with my Dad and voted Labour and I carried on for much of my adult life.

They have totally lost the plot now though. They seem more interested in looking out for people from other countries than their own and I just don’t understand that.

Where is Starmer? He should be putting in an appearance and talking to people who are protesting all over the country against the migrant hotels and LISTENING to them.

In the play Mark Antony is subtly criticising the recalibration of history not supporting it. He says he doesn't come to praise Caesar. After the oft quoted lines he even declares "so let it be with Caesar". He then manges to make you doubt the nobility of Brutus - who has just been criticising Caesar and follows that by doing the same to the other conspirators.

What I take away from the speech is not that we have to accept the tearing down of someone's reputation because "that's what happens", but that we need to look to those doing the tearing - and their good standing (or otherwise). In this brilliant speech he makes his audience question the conspirators view, not accept it.

Allira

Mollygo has it spot n!

They all talk the talk in opposition but actually being in Government is quite, quite different.

Yes, I voted for Labour and yes, I am disappointed in them so far.

Same here.

Breaking news is Govt are appealing against Bell Hotel judgement.

I understood that they were appealing against the first part of the ruling.

Primrose53

Breaking news is Govt are appealing against Bell Hotel judgement.

Aye - Starmer's keeping the lawyers well paid at the taxpayer's expense. He'll have put the word out amongst his profession no doubt.