Man made famine - the world should be ashamed

It did originate in Africa emerging in the 1920's.

Yes done my research. Growstuff has a point

look at

"Why did AIDS spread so quickly in the 80s?"

Sex tourism and contaminated blood transfusion centres ultimately propelled AIDS to public consciousness in the 1980s and a worldwide pandemic

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=whre+did+Aids+start+and+how+did+it+spread&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#vhid=_uscFWpfKHKh0M&vssid=l

so Westerners went over there just as there is now a sex trade in Thailand.

Exploitative as other practices that use what we used to call the Third World - so sex trade, garments made abroad, land transferred as I said transferred from subsistence "going what you ate" to wealthy ownership of agricultural estates for food sent abroad

I sometimes wonder if anyone sees how patronising and infantilising their posts towards African and SE Asian people are? White supremacy, even when capitalising white accountability, is so all inclusive and dismissive. Self flagellation is something I must investigate.

Oppression often leads to fierce opposition, having tan outcome outcome in pride, the celebration and re-engagement in once crushed cultures (like the rediscovery of strength, languages, and fine men and women who stood up to their oppressors. Demanding for example the return of the looted artefacts of Benin. The fact that African mathematics was way ahead of Western Europe, going back thousands of years.

Nelson Mandela is one such man, and there are many, many more.

It's not so far away in principle to the men and women in the West who are bringing into the light the contribution of women in sciences and the arts. Women such as Artemisia Gentileschi in painting: Ada Lovelace, who is considered the first computer programmer.

Rosie51

growstuff

Which statements do you consider erroneous Allira?

There could even be some truth in the claim about Aids. Although it seems to be accepted that Aids originated in chimps and gorillas, there's also a credible theory that Aids was partially spread by unsterile needles from vaccinations (imposed by colonists).

The post is certainly emotional (nothing wrong with that) but I can't see any blatant inaccuracy.

I think there is a general feeling that Africa is a basket case and it's ignored. I think that Africa will eventually have its day (long after we're all dead).

Do you honestly believe that the Aids epidemic was caused by 'imposed vaccinations' by unsterile needles? That seems an awfully long reach to me, but I guess if you're that determined to believe every ill is caused by the awful West then it's pretty easy. When you have skin in the game then you have skin in the game.....I'm fervent about learning difficulties, ADHD, autism etc so I do get it.

It's not what I believe, but it's been claimed by scientists that it contributed and it appears there is acceptance from some respected sources.

FWIW I don't believe that vaccinations caused Aids. I think it's established that it started when there was a species cross-over from chimps and gorillas, probably in the Congo and from eating bushmeat.

It's accepted that it's transmitted when bodily fluids mingle, as happens with sex. It has also been suggested that FGM contributes because the implements used aren't sterile - but also vaccinations - again needles aren't/weren't always sterile.

So, no, I don't think the "white man" took Aids to Africa in the same way Europeans took the common cold (and other diseases) to the Inuit. However, it's feasible that they were a contributing factor.

It is a fact now that Aids is worldwide and the US government has currently cut back on funding, so there's nothing wrong with that claim.

Is there anything else in Wyllow's post which you think is incorrect? Maybe we could discuss it on a civilised way rather than dismiss it out of hand.

Rosie51

I sometimes wonder if anyone sees how patronising and infantilising their posts towards African and SE Asian people are? White supremacy, even when capitalising white accountability, is so all inclusive and dismissive. Self flagellation is something I must investigate.

Please explain.

woodenspoon

Does anybody remember what started this and who started it? Hamas kidnapped and killed Israeli citizens. That’s what started all this. The mess is of their making. Those Israeli citizens are also being starved to death by Hamas while in captive.

Are we in preschool or primary school? Let's face it "who started it" as a defence definitely stops by the time we're in senior school

David49

Because 20 live hostages give them as much power over Israel as several million Palestinians.
Israel does care about hostages, Hamas don’t care how many Palestinians die, the more children the better its more propaganda value.

Netanyahu are happy to shoot escaped hostages, create starvation where hostages are held and obliterate Gaza city while Israelis are protesting. Imagine what they will do when there are no hostages, no hostages families protesting. Barbarism when a supposed western democracy is killing babies.

The world has gone mad. aids, abuse, sex, famine, trafficking, and climate change, however it is my belief that good will overcome evil.
Take care my friends, smile and help thy neighbour a little goes a long way.

For those who can see no wrong in the Israeli aggression in Gaza which has led to genocide and starvation - yes I know not saint Bibi’s fault, every death is down to Hamas - how do they account for what is happening on the West Bank. Which is in a totally different location, a different form of Palestinian governance, so not one Hamas operative anywhere in sight?
Right now illegal settlers are attacking innocent Palestinians there, taking their land and property, and building illegal settlements on said land with the help of the IDF, which btw they have been doing for decades. Saint Bibi is fully aware of this and actively encouraging it so how about trying to justify this??

How famine came to Gaza

Israel has long placed restrictions on goods entering Gaza, and those restrictions increased after the beginning of the war on 7 October 2023

However, since March 2025, the situation has deteriorated rapidly after Israel introduced a nearly three-month total blockade on goods entering Gaza.

Under significant international pressure, Israel began allowing a limited amount of goods back into Gaza in late-May.

It also introduced a new system of food distribution operated by a controversial American group called the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) to replace the previous UN-led system of food distribution.

The GHF has four food distribution sites in militarised zones that Palestinians must walk long distances at risk to reach, replacing the 400 distribution points in the community under the UN's system.

Finding food has become a deadly endeavour for Palestinians and they have regularly told us that they have to choose between starvation and death, referring to the near-daily shootings of people trying to get aid at GHF distribution sites.

The United Nations has recorded the killing of at least 994 Palestinians in the vicinity of GHF sites, since late May, some of the 1,760 killed trying to access aid.

The UN says the majority killed were shot by Israeli troops, something corroborated by eye-witnesses we have spoken to and medics in Gaza. Israel has repeatedly rejected the allegations.

Under this system, overseen by Israel, starvation in Gaza has expanded.

Israel's accusation that Hamas is responsible for the hunger crisis has also been criticised. Multiple reports, including an internal US government report, found there is no evidence of systematic diversion of aid by Hamas.

There is indeed widespread looting of trucks entering Gaza – but aid agencies say most of the looting is by crowds of desperate Palestinians and some organised groups trying to make a resale profit.

Ultimately, aid agencies have been repeating for months that in order to avert starvation and famine, Gaza needs to be flooded with aid entering by road and currently Israel still imposes restrictions.

Part of a BBC report 23/8

You are wasting your time WW but I admire your efforts and your humanity.

StripeyGran

You are wasting your time WW but I admire your efforts and your humanity.

😊 time is never wasted on people or animals who are suffering. - whoever they are.

Never loose your humanity - it is what makes you part of being human.

WWM I think it really wouldn’t matter if those who deny this genocide were actually inside Gaza watching it unfold, their minds are closed to any ill doing against the long suffering Palestinians, though thankfully they are becoming the minority as the majority become increasing revolted by the actions of the Israeli government and Israel becomes isolated from the rest of the world.
History will judge those who were cheer leaders for this atrocity accordingly.

Rosie51

I sometimes wonder if anyone sees how patronising and infantilising their posts towards African and SE Asian people are? White supremacy, even when capitalising white accountability, is so all inclusive and dismissive. Self flagellation is something I must investigate.

That’s why I said earlier that hair shirts and whips were loved by some.
Emotional posts and inaccuracies go with them hand in hand.
Why do it? My own view is that they can’t control the things around them so look for far off things to emote about.

Oreo

Rosie51

I sometimes wonder if anyone sees how patronising and infantilising their posts towards African and SE Asian people are? White supremacy, even when capitalising white accountability, is so all inclusive and dismissive. Self flagellation is something I must investigate.

That’s why I said earlier that hair shirts and whips were loved by some.
Emotional posts and inaccuracies go with them hand in hand.
Why do it? My own view is that they can’t control the things around them so look for far off things to emote about.

Quite extraordinary!

No longer able to refute what is in front of your eyes, you now turn on the messengers by accusing them of self flagellation.

What about the message?

Or perhaps you are as usual in denial!

Nobody is denying that famine exists in Gaza or Sudan its caused by war.

What I and other object to is the blame Israel mentality, and Hamas bears no responsibility despite holding hostages and using the whole population as human shields.

I look forward to Hamas being blamed for the war as much as Israel, but I don’t expect the closed minds to change.

A US government report has found no evidence of Hamas involvement in stopping aid into Gaza.
Why would they when Hamas will have families living there. Would they deprive their own children aid.

The UK and others are calling for journalists to be allowed into Gaza. Israel should not be allowed to hide the devastation they have allowed to happen.

Quote AGAA4 Sat 23-Aug-25 09:53:50
A US government report has found no evidence of Hamas involvement in stopping aid into Gaza.
Why would they when Hamas will have families living there. Would they deprive their own children aid.

The UK and others are calling for journalists to be allowed into Gaza. Israel should not be allowed to hide the devastation they have allowed to happen.

Would Hamas deprive their own children aid ?
I think yes they would

Anniebach

Quote AGAA4 Sat 23-Aug-25 09:53:50
A US government report has found no evidence of Hamas involvement in stopping aid into Gaza.
Why would they when Hamas will have families living there. Would they deprive their own children aid.

The UK and others are calling for journalists to be allowed into Gaza. Israel should not be allowed to hide the devastation they have allowed to happen.

Would Hamas deprive their own children aid ?
I think yes they would

I don’t care what Hamas would or wouldn’t do all we can do is speculate.
What I care about are the thousands now at risk of dying of starvation, with the majority of intelligent people/aid agencies/western governments etc., in agreement that Israeli forces are deliberately obstructing aid.
You can hold out with the minority if you want Annie but you will be on the wrong side of history.
Those outraged by the Israeli government are not letting Hamas off the hook, nobody is supporting them, but neither will they support what the IDF are doing. And btw an increasing number of Israelis feel the same.

David49

Nobody is denying that famine exists in Gaza or Sudan its caused by war.

What I and other object to is the blame Israel mentality, and Hamas bears no responsibility despite holding hostages and using the whole population as human shields.

I look forward to Hamas being blamed for the war as much as Israel, but I don’t expect the closed minds to change.

Nobody is condoning what Hamas did. This attack should never have been allowed to happen. Israel has one of the best intelligence services in the world and they had no idea that Hamas were ready to attack?
The response by Israel to calls for help were extremely slow. Their defence system was woefully inadequate.
Israel should have protected their own people better.
As for closed minds some are blind to suffering and have no compassion.

David49

Nobody is denying that famine exists in Gaza or Sudan its caused by war.

What I and other object to is the blame Israel mentality, and Hamas bears no responsibility despite holding hostages and using the whole population as human shields.

I look forward to Hamas being blamed for the war as much as Israel, but I don’t expect the closed minds to change.

Hamas will be a footnote in history. They no longer have any power.

It is Israel in whose hands the Palestinians lives rest.

A big minority in Israel and a huge majority around the world recognise this.

AGAA4

A US government report has found no evidence of Hamas involvement in stopping aid into Gaza.
Why would they when Hamas will have families living there. Would they deprive their own children aid.

The UK and others are calling for journalists to be allowed into Gaza. Israel should not be allowed to hide the devastation they have allowed to happen.

So why don’t Hamas surrender, return the hostages and allow everyone to be fed properly

Hamas is funded by Iran and Qatar. Are you sure that Hamas will be a footnote in history? wwm2. Iran and Qatar have their own agenda?
Gaza is being remodelled to stop the two state model. Israel is trying very hard to protect its own people from now on and into the future. What else can it do?

David49

AGAA4

A US government report has found no evidence of Hamas involvement in stopping aid into Gaza.
Why would they when Hamas will have families living there. Would they deprive their own children aid.

The UK and others are calling for journalists to be allowed into Gaza. Israel should not be allowed to hide the devastation they have allowed to happen.

So why don’t Hamas surrender, return the hostages and allow everyone to be fed properly

If you were sat in Gaza and was watching how Israel is treating the people in the West Bank and killing and starving innocent civilians in Gaza, would you actually believe that Israel would suddenly come all over philanthropic if you as an insurrectionist surrendered😄.

Do you really think that Netanyahu will stop his plan to rid Gaza of all Palestinians even if the hostages are returned.
What is left of Hamas in Gaza city know they will be killed. The families of the hostages are afraid that as a final act Hamas will kill those hostages still alive.