Man made famine - the world should be ashamed

Quote Babs03 Sat 23-Aug-25 10:02:45
Anniebach
Quote AGAA4 Sat 23-Aug-25 09:53:50
A US government report has found no evidence of Hamas involvement in stopping aid into Gaza.
Why would they when Hamas will have families living there. Would they deprive their own children aid.

The UK and others are calling for journalists to be allowed into Gaza. Israel should not be allowed to hide the devastation they have allowed to happen.

Would Hamas deprive their own children aid ?
I think yes they would
I don’t care what Hamas would or wouldn’t do all we can do is speculate.
What I care about are the thousands now at risk of dying of starvation, with the majority of intelligent people/aid agencies/western governments etc., in agreement that Israeli forces are deliberately obstructing aid.
You can hold out with the minority if you want Annie but you will be on the wrong side of history.
Those outraged by the Israeli government are not letting Hamas off the hook, nobody is supporting them, but neither will they support what the IDF are doing. And btw an increasing number of Israelis feel the same.

I do not hold with a minority or majority.

If Hamas have families living in Gaza surely they would release the hostages given there could be starvation, I doubt they would if there is food available for their families, their army the country they govern?

Last post meant for David49

ronib

Hamas is funded by Iran and Qatar. Are you sure that Hamas will be a footnote in history? wwm2. Iran and Qatar have their own agenda?
Gaza is being remodelled to stop the two state model. Israel is trying very hard to protect its own people from now on and into the future. What else can it do?

Of course just as Hezbollah is a busted flush.

Gaza remodelled - blimey I’ve never heard that euphemism before.

ronib

Hamas is funded by Iran and Qatar. Are you sure that Hamas will be a footnote in history? wwm2. Iran and Qatar have their own agenda?
Gaza is being remodelled to stop the two state model. Israel is trying very hard to protect its own people from now on and into the future. What else can it do?

It can stop committing genocide, get round the negotiating table and agree a ceasefire that will ensure the return of the hostages and the safe delivery of aid. Hamas agreed to a ceasefire on Monday. The Israeli government haven’t agreed to anything.
If Netanyahu really cares about the hostages he would negotiate.
Hamas cannot return the hostages until a ceasefire is agreed, which is common sense, because otherwise both Hamas and the hostages could be shot or bombed by Israeli forces.
This isn’t rocket science. There are examples where this kind of negotiation is successful, indeed the UK has experience of this with the GFA.

The history of the world is one big remodelled landmass ??

Even both terrorists , I can’t compare Hamas and the IRA,

ronib

The history of the world is one big remodelled landmass ??

Of course it is.
Gaza needs to be remodelled, Gaza had its chance to show the world it could live in an area next to Jews and it blew it by its murderous hatred towards them! The huge amounts of money that was given to Gaza by many countries and aid agencies was also blown on weapons.No longer safe for Israel to contemplate a two State solution, that’s gone, well done hamas for that and for using their own people as shields.

Remodelled.

Quite disgraceful - and re- writing history I see.

We’ve already de-bunked the idea that the Palestinians are being used as shields

The usual denial.

Would you care to expand your argument wwm2 ?

Preferably with reference to E1?

Where are videos from Hamas showing the victims of the alleged starvation, we saw the horrors of Ethiopia

Anniebach

Where are videos from Hamas showing the victims of the alleged starvation, we saw the horrors of Ethiopia

There were journalists in Ethiopia.

Whitewavemark2

Remodelled.

Quite disgraceful - and re- writing history I see.

We’ve already de-bunked the idea that the Palestinians are being used as shields

The usual denial.

Well you had better unbunk that again, because I see Hamas refusing to surrender as hiding behind several million civilians as a human shield.

They could come out and fight the IDF if they believe they are going to die why take thousands of civilians with you.l

The reason why journalists are so important in a theatre of war is so that the world can actually see what is going on and if people fear journalistic bias with some agencies there will always be other journalists they find more balanced. The only reason why journalists would be banned from reporting would be because those banning them don’t want the world to see what is actually going on.
To say is for the journalists safety is totally unacceptable, there have been ‘embeds’ in every war so far, none have been safe places to be and yes some got killed or injured, but is their choice as professionals whether they want to take that risk or not.

Whitewavemark2

Remodelled.

Quite disgraceful - and re- writing history I see.

We’ve already de-bunked the idea that the Palestinians are being used as shields

The usual denial.

Hamas would be very pleased by your comments, and you and a few others here haven’t ‘debunked’ anything at all.
Hamas members deliberately based themselves in schools and hospitals and anywhere where they felt safe amongst the population.I think it’s you that’s in denial.

Quote Babs03 Sat 23-Aug-25 10:56:30
Anniebach
Where are videos from Hamas showing the victims of the alleged starvation, we saw the horrors of Ethiopia
There were journalists in Ethiopia.

Yes I know, so who is restricting what the world can see and who is releasing some videos , such as the release of hostages and coffins earlier this year, i have seen two small children and a woman allegedly starved but were suffering severe physical illnesses .i have a group of small children holding metal bowls through a fence , fencing too narrow to retrieve the bowls with food

David Hamas is a terrorist organisation, it doesn't play by the rules but that doesn't give Israel's soldiers or government a licence to starve people. If they do they are no better than Hamas!

Anniebach

Quote Babs03 Sat 23-Aug-25 10:56:30
Anniebach
Where are videos from Hamas showing the victims of the alleged starvation, we saw the horrors of Ethiopia
There were journalists in Ethiopia.

Yes I know, so who is restricting what the world can see and who is releasing some videos , such as the release of hostages and coffins earlier this year, i have seen two small children and a woman allegedly starved but were suffering severe physical illnesses .i have a group of small children holding metal bowls through a fence , fencing too narrow to retrieve the bowls with food

Israel is not allowing journalists in, so Israel is restricting what the world can see obviously.
If you fear Hamas is using propaganda videos wouldn’t you prefer journalists to report what is actually happening??

Quote Babs03 Sat 23-Aug-25 11:09:14
Anniebach
Quote Babs03 Sat 23-Aug-25 10:56:30
Anniebach
Where are videos from Hamas showing the victims of the alleged starvation, we saw the horrors of Ethiopia
There were journalists in Ethiopia.

Yes I know, so who is restricting what the world can see and who is releasing some videos , such as the release of hostages and coffins earlier this year, i have seen two small children and a woman allegedly starved but were suffering severe physical illnesses .i have a group of small children holding metal bowls through a fence , fencing too narrow to retrieve the bowls with food
Israel is not allowing journalists in, so Israel is restricting what the world can see obviously.
If you fear Hamas is using propaganda videos wouldn’t you prefer journalists to report what is actually happening??

Israel is restricting all photographs and videos from Gaza ?
I do not believe this to be true

It is true Annie. The Israeli government will not let journalists into Gaza, pressure has been brought to bear several times with regard to this, but the government remain unmoved.

As I pointed out earlier in this thread, Israeli history is littered with conflicts with their neighbours, Oreo.
Murderous hatred to their neighbours is not exclusively a Gazan matter. There are current quotes from Israelis which make their expansionist agenda very clear.
The only innocent parties in this are the hostages and the starving.

www.timesofisrael.com/28-countries-including-uk-and-canada-call-on-israel-to-let-journalists-into-gaza/amp/

For you to read Annie.

Israel is currently at war. Journalists are part of the propaganda machine used by Israel’s enemies. Al Jazeera for example.

foxie48

David Hamas is a terrorist organisation, it doesn't play by the rules but that doesn't give Israel's soldiers or government a licence to starve people. If they do they are no better than Hamas!

Hamas is the de facto government in Gaza it is often referred to as that in news reports.
Are you saying they have no responsibility for what is happening

For what it’s worth I think Israel is odious but that doesn’t exonerate Hamas for the way to has run Gaza.

ronib

Israel is currently at war. Journalists are part of the propaganda machine used by Israel’s enemies. Al Jazeera for example.

Propaganda is the only weapon that Hamas has and AlJazzera has helped as has the UN and all the other aid agencies.
The more images of women and children suffering the better for Hamas thats their only weapon why would they stop.