Would you fly a flag for your country?

GrannyGravy13

PoliticsNerd

If you cannot understand the very oft used and old analogy that really is your problem nor mine.

And to borrow from another famous lady ^frankly my dear, I do not give a damn^

That's okay. It wasn't that I don't understand glass half empty/glass half full. Simple logic tells you both "people" have to be looking at the same thing in order to have the opposite perspective. Otherwise you have each person with a view about something different as opposed to different views on the same thing. You got it wrong (it happens); that made it confusing to at least two of us.

I have now checked this with an AI Chat. It tells me the issue is that you're "not framing both perspectives around the same issue". It gives an example of comparing apples with oranges as "when someone tries to directly compare two things that are fundamentally different in nature, making the comparison unfair or meaningless". I didn't actually think it was unfair, but it is meaningless.

PoliticsNerd you can consult as many AI Chat bots as you like, my opinion stays the same.

GrannyGravy13

PoliticsNerd you can consult as many AI Chat bots as you like, my opinion stays the same.

You dare argue with a bot? 😲

GrannyGravy13

PoliticsNerd you can consult as many AI Chat bots as you like, my opinion stays the same.

I think PNis saying she’s quoting an infallible source, but nothing is infallible. Stick with your opinion. We’re still allowed to have them.

Stick with your opinion. We’re still allowed to have them.

And even to express them on here? 😲

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If folk want to see the problems with flag-flying, go and have a break in Northern Ireland, where areas of Belfast and other towns have Union Jacks, others have the Irish flag.

And overall a strange, and sometimes nasty and/or threatening atmosphere. It is the MAGA-hat type of 'thinking', and the wearers of those have an IQ roughly equal shoe-size.

Our Union Jack IS a thing to be proud of (despite Govts of the last 3 to 4 decades doing their incompetent worst to bring the country to rack and ruin), think back to the Queen's celebrations??! BUT -- its use has now been largely hijacked by the Robinson/Yaxley-Lennon crowd of troublemakers and deadbeats.

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Why would I do that PN? They don’t attack me.

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PoliticsNerd please stop attacking me, it is becoming personal and feels rather uncomfortable.

I am as entitled to my views as the next person.

Mollygo

Why would I do that PN? They don’t attack me.

Are you really saying that your post of 02-Sept-25 03:08:48 complaining against attacks, only ever applies to those who disagree with your point of view (that you then decide is an attack) and that you are happy with an "attack" post as long as you are not the recipient?

I suppose that tells us all we need to know. Have a nice day.

I didn't attack you pesonally GrannyGravy13, although I can see it serves your purpose to suggest I did.

I did try and unravel your post suggesting everyone who didn't share your views was a negative person (why suggest that?). It was initially confusing and took a bit of unravelling I'm afraid.

Above in answer to GrannyGravy13's post Tue 02-Sept-25 08:27:20

PoliticsNerd

I didn't attack you pesonally GrannyGravy13, although I can see it serves your purpose to suggest I did.

I did try and unravel your post suggesting everyone who didn't share your views was a negative person (why suggest that?). It was initially confusing and took a bit of unravelling I'm afraid.

I suggest you unravel Caleo’s post as I was answering that!

Late to the party for a number of reasons. I’ve read through this thread and without wishing to be frivolous - I’m largely team grannygravy.

Of course some racist Tommy Robinson types are flag waving to cause trouble. The disgusting demos outside places housing asylum seekers are shameful. Don’t let thugs claim our flags

Caleo

GrannyGravy13

So Caleohow we perceive our national flags is all done to our individual mindsets

Those of us who are positive about the U.K. and are glass half full folks do not have a problem with our flags.

And then there are those who are negative glass half empty folks who look for the downside will have a problem with our flags as they equate them to values which are not their own…

No. It's the opposite.

Glass half full folks think our country is not beyond redemption despite its history of slavery and colonialism .

Glass half empty folks think our country can only be sorted by gesticulating with national flags and fearing foreigners/

I don’t think I’m at all confused, PN. I think that you are.

They claimed it years ago Iam64 because generally we are not a flag waving country and I doubt we will start now. I might wave a Union Jack at International events but I certainly won't be hanging it outside my house or littering up bridges and lamp posts with them. Someone had painted a red cross on the little roundabout I use to go to my local supermarket. It had been repainted back to white by the council, I really don't want my council tax being used in this way, fortunately there seems to be few flags flying from lamp posts etc, I hope it stays that way!

PoliticsNerd

GrannyGravy13

No.

I am a glass half full person not a glass half empty doom monger.

If someone raised a flag I do not automatically assume they are far right racists, which is being repeated time and time again in this thread.

I've looked at it again GrannyGravy13 and it seems you misunderstood the "glass half full/glass half empty comparison. Whether that was deliberate or accidental I have no idea but it produces a biased comparison.

To compare a "glass half empty" perspective with a "glass half full" perspective both need to be looking at the same thing.

So, if we take the first part, "Glass half full folks think our country is not beyond redemption despite its history of slavery and colonialism," the opposite perspective would be that a glass half empty person thinks the country is beyond redemption because of its history of slavery and colonialism.

Taking the second and seperate part, "Glass half empty folks think our country can only be sorted by gesticulating with national flags and fearing foreigners," this negative view needs an equal but opposing view such as "whereas the glass half full people feel the country can be "sorted" without the need to use national flags or the fear of people coming from other countries.

Your suggestion compares two perspectives that do not look at the same issue. Perhaps you could clarify the one issue you wanted to highlight?

This is your critique. You are critiqing Caleo’s definitions, not GG’s

GrannyGravy13

PoliticsNerd

I didn't attack you pesonally GrannyGravy13, although I can see it serves your purpose to suggest I did.

I did try and unravel your post suggesting everyone who didn't share your views was a negative person (why suggest that?). It was initially confusing and took a bit of unravelling I'm afraid.

I suggest you unravel Caleo’s post as I was answering that!

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MaizieD

Caleo

GrannyGravy13

So Caleohow we perceive our national flags is all done to our individual mindsets

Those of us who are positive about the U.K. and are glass half full folks do not have a problem with our flags.

And then there are those who are negative glass half empty folks who look for the downside will have a problem with our flags as they equate them to values which are not their own…

No. It's the opposite.

Glass half full folks think our country is not beyond redemption despite its history of slavery and colonialism .

Glass half empty folks think our country can only be sorted by gesticulating with national flags and fearing foreigners/

I don’t think I’m at all confused, PN. I think that you are.

Obviously, that too is possible. I was certainly confused by GrannyGravy13's attack on those who didn't share her views on who is a positive person. But it's quite possible that this confusion led me to misunderstand that she was saying. It happens to each and all of us.

PoliticsNerd I do not attack posters who’s opinions are different to mine.

I respect their opinion and in return it would be nice if they could respect mine.

I have never flown the flag (any flag) but I reserve the right to do so without being labelled right wing or racist.

I do put up 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇬🇧 bunting for jubilees, coronations and on VE Day during the first coronavirus lockdown.

I cannot see why English citizens should let our national flag be a symbol of any sector or group, it belongs to us all.

I don’t disagree with what you say GrannyGravy13, but there is no getting away from the fact that in the current state of the country, if you display a flag, some people will label you right wing or racist. It’s up to you to decide if you are going to fly a flag all the time, riding the storm and hoping the tension settles down, or to fly the flag on high days and holidays as most people always did, or to not fly it at all. Everybody has a choice, but we can’t change what other people think.