Angela Rayner - 3 homes now

GrannyGravy13

It’s Reform UK’s conference this weekend, with AR stepping down from her posts and Nadine Dories joining Reform I expect a lot of grandstanding and headlines over the next couple of days.

Off the topic, but the Nadine Dorries defection intrigues me, I admit. If ever there was a loose canon, but I really thought her loyalty to Boris Johnson was unquestionable.

PaynesGrey

fancythat

Which sort of "two firms"?

Law firms. This is an extract from Sir Laurie Magnus's letter to the PM:

I have reviewed relevant documentation from the property transaction. This has included the advice she received at the time from the legal firms involved and the associated documentation that was prepared for her to effect the purchase. This advice gave rise to Ms Rayner’s understanding – which I consider to have been held in good faith – that the lower rate of SDLT was applicable when purchasing the property in Hove.

It is not necessary for me to detail the specific contents of this advice or the associated documentation but, having reviewed it, I would draw four conclusions:

a) Ms Rayner was open about the existence of the trust and considered that, between them, the firms advising her had appropriate knowledge and awareness of the details and circumstances of the trust;

b) On the basis of the advice she received, Ms Rayner believed that the lower rate of SDLT would be applicable; indeed she was twice informed in writing that this was the case; but

c) In those two instances, that advice was qualified by the acknowledgment that it did not constitute expert tax advice and was accompanied by a suggestion, or in one case a recommendation, that specific tax advice be obtained; and

d) If such expert tax advice had been received, as it later was, it would likely have advised her that a higher rate of SDLT was payable.

It is c. that let her down.

And quite frankly, "an ordinary man in the street" would probably have sought such advice.

Let alone a Deputy Prime Minister of a Country.

I had a big hung fire on the whole thing. I was waiting for the verdict.
The verdict came. And it is not good news.

Casdon Nigel the nice guy in the pub? Laziness on my part. I really hope that the opposition gets its act together by the time of the next election.

Casdon

GrannyGravy13

It’s Reform UK’s conference this weekend, with AR stepping down from her posts and Nadine Dories joining Reform I expect a lot of grandstanding and headlines over the next couple of days.

Off the topic, but the Nadine Dorries defection intrigues me, I admit. If ever there was a loose canon, but I really thought her loyalty to Boris Johnson was unquestionable.

Nadine Dorties was my MO at one point in my life. She didn’t live in the constituency and we never saw her. She did nothing for her constituents.

She also had some questionable property dealing involving more than one property.

Presumably she believes Reform is the best bet for Nadine Dorries.

Dorries was my MP

LizzieDrip

^Sir Laurie Magnus considers that she cannot be considered to have met the highest standards of conduct and, as such, the ministerial code was breached^

Mm, interesting!

A thought occurs to me…

Did Nigel Farage ‘meet the highest standards of conduct’ this week when he talked down his own country in the USA; lied to the USA congress committee; and recommended that the USA implement financial sanctions on the UK … his own country???

Maybe The Telegraph would like to investigate that.

He may or may not have.

But that does not take away that AR didnt.

They are all supposed to.

I think it's sad that she's gone but her resignation letter also touches on her concern for her family in all of this. The media frenzy has put her safety and their safety at risk. The graffiti could just be a start. I think she'd be wise to take a back seat for a while, take stock, come back fighting from the backbenches and have more time for her constituents.

He is not a nice guy ronib.
I think there will be all sorts of truths about people from all parties coming out in the next weeks. Property dealings will get top billing, and I watched an interview about Kemi Badenoch’s academic claims being false on Times Radio yesterday. I have no doubt journalists are searching for the next big story as we speak. Interesting times.

It’s been rumoured that now Nadine seems to be over her grand passion for Boris, Nigel has had to hire an extra bodyguard to keep her at bay.

She could be a spy, of course. She’s not known for her discretion and is likely to put whatever she sees going on at conference into a book.

People seem to be getting more angry at MPs in general.

To PaynesGrey. 13.37pm post

I’m no fan of Labour, far from it, but I can’t help feeling slightly sorry for Angela Rayner as misplaced as my sentiments probably are. Anyone who can juggle her job, a disabled child, minimal qualifications, divorce and a poor start in life, all described on the bbc, deserves a slither of compassion. Just my opinion. Somehow, she’s crawled her way to the top despite all that she has had thrown at her in life. I don’t doubt she’s tough, nasty and anything else people say about her but she has achieved something very few do, especially women. I have a sneaking admiration for her although I’d never vote Labour.

She could be a spy, of course

That is a big assumption and assertion!

Unless you know things that most people dont[I have begin to think there are more people with inside knowledge about the government on this forum, than I had assumed].

woodenspoon

I’m no fan of Labour, far from it, but I can’t help feeling slightly sorry for Angela Rayner as misplaced as my sentiments probably are. Anyone who can juggle her job, a disabled child, minimal qualifications, divorce and a poor start in life, all described on the bbc, deserves a slither of compassion. Just my opinion. Somehow, she’s crawled her way to the top despite all that she has had thrown at her in life. I don’t doubt she’s tough, nasty and anything else people say about her but she has achieved something very few do, especially women. I have a sneaking admiration for her although I’d never vote Labour.

With Politics you need to look squeaky clean as well as be it.

I do think some people in high office need a whole lot less sleep than most of us.

Give anyone another 5 hours awake time per day, and a lot can be achieved.

I am talking in general terms.

It was a joke because of her exposé of what went on in Tory circles as described in her last book. Excerpt from the blurb:

From group sex sessions organised via WhatsApp, to the King being stood up at the Privy Council and the real reason why Rishi Sunak left the D-Day celebrations early, the accounts are raw, unvarnished and brutal. Everything is worse than it seems.

AR makes much of her poor start in life and KS also always backs her up on this.

There are plenty in Politics who can say the same …. Just a few I can think of Jon Ashworth, Nadine Dorries, former Home Secretary Alan Johnson. There are doubtless more but they behave and act more professionally than her.

I got you PoliticsGrey, if I was a party leader I would have mixed views about her joining me - it will be good fodder for her next book though!

Is the King, the group sex and Richi connected in any way please?

Sorry its proving to be a tiresome day.

Tell me more ???

PaynesGrey

If Farage's behaviour was put under the spotlight of Nolan, he would fail on a regular basis.

Here's reminder of the Nolan Principles:

1.1 Selflessness

Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.

1.2 Integrity

Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.

1.3 Objectivity

Holders of public office must act and take decisions impartially, fairly and on merit, using the best evidence and without discrimination or bias.

1.4 Accountability

Holders of public office are accountable to the public for their decisions and actions and must submit themselves to the scrutiny necessary to ensure this.

1.5 Openness

Holders of public office should act and take decisions in an open and transparent manner. Information should not be withheld from the public unless there are clear and lawful reasons for so doing.

1.6 Honesty

Holders of public office should be truthful.

1.7 Leadership

Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour and treat others with respect. They should actively promote and robustly support the principles and challenge poor behaviour wherever it occurs.

Precisely!

But the right wing media (which is virtually all of it) certainly won’t be shining any spotlights on the behaviour of Mr Farage!

He appears to be able to act with total impunity🤷‍♀️

Isn’t there a process in the HoC by which an MP’s behaviour can be officially called into question and referred to the ethics advisor?

Farage is hardly going to refer himself is he?

fancythat

People seem to be getting more angry at MPs in general.

Nothing new. Anna Soubry said she was always afraid that someone would push her under a train and always, on a platform stood with her back to a wall. Jess Phillips house is like Fort Knox with so many locks on the door. And let’s not forget Jo Cox .

Nigel Farage? Oooh look there’s a squirrel 😂 this thread is about Angela Rayner.
She had to go, and now she’s gone.Hope Starmer chooses someone more professional and able next for the role.

McFadden?

Maybe we’re bored of talking about Angela Rayner Oreo, three similar threads are on the go, and there’s only so much to be said.

LizzieDrip

^Sir Laurie Magnus considers that she cannot be considered to have met the highest standards of conduct and, as such, the ministerial code was breached^

Mm, interesting!

A thought occurs to me…

Did Nigel Farage ‘meet the highest standards of conduct’ this week when he talked down his own country in the USA; lied to the USA congress committee; and recommended that the USA implement financial sanctions on the UK … his own country???

Maybe The Telegraph would like to investigate that.

Farage is not a Minister, moreover he is not a member of the Government either.

He does need to meet certain standards as a Member of Parliament, of course.