“Migrants are more important than residents" A statement that the Labour party will live to regret?

Teazel2

Boz

There are posters, the minute FGT shows, are on the defensive and start heavily kicking. This is unfair, as the lady has great courage and only says what many think but are silent in the face of such people. Always the same names.

👏👏👏👏👏👏

The thing is though, and this goes for every poster, if you make a post that is factually inaccurate, or controversial, you will be challenged. It’s not a personal slight in 99% of cases, the responses are about the post, not the person. If somebody is rude or disrespectful to another poster, that is definitely not acceptable and whatever we think about the people involved we should all stand against that.

www.europol.europa.eu/crime-areas/migrant-smuggling

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do/crime-threats/organised-immigration-crime

These are just a couple of links out of several, perhaps they will be of interest.
This is an enormous problem blighting our society.

I am going out now so won't be able to respond but I'm sure there is plenty more to be found online.

Casdon

Teazel2

Boz

There are posters, the minute FGT shows, are on the defensive and start heavily kicking. This is unfair, as the lady has great courage and only says what many think but are silent in the face of such people. Always the same names.

👏👏👏👏👏👏

The thing is though, and this goes for every poster, if you make a post that is factually inaccurate, or controversial, you will be challenged. It’s not a personal slight in 99% of cases, the responses are about the post, not the person. If somebody is rude or disrespectful to another poster, that is definitely not acceptable and whatever we think about the people involved we should all stand against that.

Casdon, yes, dispute the post, don't attack the poster!
However, FGT2 only just has to peep above the parapet and the personal attacks begin immediately.

Perhaps those attacking the poster, not the post, don't have a counter-argument!

Casdon

Teazel2

Boz

There are posters, the minute FGT shows, are on the defensive and start heavily kicking. This is unfair, as the lady has great courage and only says what many think but are silent in the face of such people. Always the same names.

👏👏👏👏👏👏

The thing is though, and this goes for every poster, if you make a post that is factually inaccurate, or controversial, you will be challenged. It’s not a personal slight in 99% of cases, the responses are about the post, not the person. If somebody is rude or disrespectful to another poster, that is definitely not acceptable and whatever we think about the people involved we should all stand against that.

“Never fail do you FGT”. This was the first response on this thread. Sounds like a personal attack to me

fancythat

What is OCG please?

organised Crime group.

Primrose53

fancythat

What is OCG please?

organised Crime group.

If you follow my links posted above, fancythat, they might explain more about Organised Crime Groups.

Primrose53

MaizieD

I have asked many times “ what possible benefits can unskilled, often uneducated, single young men who have no documents to prove who they are, bring to our country?”

Indeed you may have, but what proof do you have that what you are claiming is correct?

I am asking a genuine question but failing to get an answer yet again. Why bother answering with another question?

My question is 100% correct.

How can a question be correct or not?

What is disputed is your assumption that asylum seekers are necessarily unskilled and uneducated. On the contrary, many of them have shown great resilience, strength and ingenuity to travel thousands of miles, often in dangerous circumstances. They're a self-selected group.

Allira

www.europol.europa.eu/crime-areas/migrant-smuggling

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do/crime-threats/organised-immigration-crime

These are just a couple of links out of several, perhaps they will be of interest.
This is an enormous problem blighting our society.

I am going out now so won't be able to respond but I'm sure there is plenty more to be found online.

The National Crime Agency has been given extra funding and been told to allocate 300 extra staff to tackling migrant smuggling. Organised crime is often interconnected. For example, smuggling funds drugs and arms and vice versa.

Not for the faint hearted, but this is an interesting watch for anybody who wants to find out what the NCA does:

www.channel4.com/programmes/operation-dark-phone-murder-by-text

fancythat

^It is clear from that para that the Home Secretary argued in written submissions that ‘the relevant public interests in play are not equal’ and her duty under the ECHR towards the ‘asylum seekers’ was of greater importance or significance than the government’s duty to ensure the safety of the residents of Epping.^

You are saying that this is not true?

It is not true that the Home Office or the courts used the words claimed. Absolutely not true - and that's what I've been saying on this thread.

It is true that Kemi Badenoch used the words which have been quoted by the Telegraph, the DM and some other media. However, when the have been repeated, it has not been made clear who said the words and that they are a secondary interpretation of what was said in court. What I've just written is true.

It is not bullying to state the truth.

The truth is, and figures are not needed to show this, that concern in Epping is at an all-time high. I think I said before that it would be better for everyone concerned for the migrants to be moved out. It would relieve the tension felt, but of course, this would set a difficult precedent.
The Bell Hotel is not much more than an easy 10 minute walk from the town, certainly for a fit young person. Even the Assistant Chief Constable has acknowledged that the strength of feeling in Epping about the hotel is not lost on him. At least he understands the significant impact that the situation is having on people. There is little wonder that Epping residents feel angry or scared.

I wonder how the people in that ‘hotel’ are feeling? They are probably feeling scared too. Not as scared as they were before they left whatever horror they had been enduring.

Perhaps the way to avoid precedents being set would be to put the onus on councils who want migrants moved from specific units is to charge those councils with finding alternative accommodation as there isn’t a ready supply of alternatives in the magic land that is somewhere else?

escaped

The truth is, and figures are not needed to show this, that concern in Epping is at an all-time high. I think I said before that it would be better for everyone concerned for the migrants to be moved out. It would relieve the tension felt, but of course, this would set a difficult precedent.
The Bell Hotel is not much more than an easy 10 minute walk from the town, certainly for a fit young person. Even the Assistant Chief Constable has acknowledged that the strength of feeling in Epping about the hotel is not lost on him. At least he understands the significant impact that the situation is having on people. There is little wonder that Epping residents feel angry or scared.

How high is high?

Before this, I doubt if there was much concern at all, despite the fact that asylum seekers have lived in that hotel for years. That's a very low base, so it wouldn't be surprising if concern has increased, so you can now claim it's at an all-time high.

PS. When you write of "Epping residents" don't lump them all together. There are plenty of Essex residents who don't feel anger or fear.

Casdon

Perhaps the way to avoid precedents being set would be to put the onus on councils who want migrants moved from specific units is to charge those councils with finding alternative accommodation as there isn’t a ready supply of alternatives in the magic land that is somewhere else?

Exactly! It's NIMBYism. It's all very well clearing people from your patch, but they have to go somewhere.

as there isn’t a ready supply of alternatives in the magic land that is somewhere else?
Exactly. Everywhere is full and can accommodate no more!

When you write of "Epping residents" don't lump them all together.
Strange the Assistant Chiel Constable of Essex lumps the feelings of Epping residents altogether yet I am admonished for doing so! 😂

escaped

^as there isn’t a ready supply of alternatives in the magic land that is somewhere else?^
Exactly. Everywhere is full and can accommodate no more!

No, everywhere isn't full. The Bell Hotel is run down and before it started accommodating asylum seekers, it was on the verge of closing down and an application was made for it to be turned into a care home. A cursory glance at TripAdvisor will prove why it had very few bookings.

Would you rather the 30,000 people currently in hotels were sleeping on the streets?

escaped

^When you write of "Epping residents" don't lump them all together.^
Strange the Assistant Chiel Constable of Essex lumps the feelings of Epping residents altogether yet I am admonished for doing so! 😂

Do you mean Stuart Hooper?

No, he doesn't lump them all together. He acknowledges the polarisation of opinion in a number of interviews.

Ladyleftfieldlover

I wonder how the people in that ‘hotel’ are feeling? They are probably feeling scared too. Not as scared as they were before they left whatever horror they had been enduring.

I wonder that too LLFL

We can only imagine what horrors they have experienced.

Of course, some people choose not to consider that.

The Home Office understands that local residents have concerns about the use of the hotel, which have been heard.
From the horse's mouth!

LizzieDrip

Ladyleftfieldlover

I wonder how the people in that ‘hotel’ are feeling? They are probably feeling scared too. Not as scared as they were before they left whatever horror they had been enduring.

I wonder that too LLFL

We can only imagine what horrors they have experienced.

Of course, some people choose not to consider that.

Correct. And to be fair, l I wrote fairly and squarely at the beginning that for everyone concerned this needs resolving. No one was keen though to acknowledge that I meant for the migrants too. I've given up writing that every time, especially when some people choose to jump in with their one sided argument.

growstuff

escaped

When you write of "Epping residents" don't lump them all together.
Strange the Assistant Chiel Constable of Essex lumps the feelings of Epping residents altogether yet I am admonished for doing so! 😂

Do you mean Stuart Hooper?

No, he doesn't lump them all together. He acknowledges the polarisation of opinion in a number of interviews.

No. I've no idea about about Stuart Hooper.
It's not the name Epping residents I know used in this context. Google is your friend.

growstuff - do you work for the government in any way? Paid or unpaid. A government department? Used by the government? etc

As I understand things, some people are used in that way to go on social media.

growstuff

Primrose53

MaizieD

I have asked many times “ what possible benefits can unskilled, often uneducated, single young men who have no documents to prove who they are, bring to our country?”

Indeed you may have, but what proof do you have that what you are claiming is correct?

I am asking a genuine question but failing to get an answer yet again. Why bother answering with another question?

My question is 100% correct.

How can a question be correct or not?

What is disputed is your assumption that asylum seekers are necessarily unskilled and uneducated. On the contrary, many of them have shown great resilience, strength and ingenuity to travel thousands of miles, often in dangerous circumstances. They're a self-selected group.

They cannot prove they are qualified in anything because as you well know, they have destroyed all their documents.

I have read countless reports that most of these young men have had barely any education.

I cannot see that they offer this country any benefit at all.

Ladyleftfieldlover

I wonder how the people in that ‘hotel’ are feeling? They are probably feeling scared too. Not as scared as they were before they left whatever horror they had been enduring.

Yes it’s truly horrible in France! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣