“Migrants are more important than residents" A statement that the Labour party will live to regret?

LizzieDrip

MayBee70

It was the Conservative party that started housing migrants in hotels. Labour have said they will stop doing so but it can’t happen overnight. Yet another click bait heading that gransnet are happy to allow.

Correct MayBee.

Why weren’t people protesting about asylum seekers in hotels 2 years ago - when the Tories were in power? Why are they suddenly so angry now🤔

Why weren’t Tory councils taking the government to court about asylum seekers in hotels 2 years ago - when the Tories were in power? Why now🤔

Why weren’t bus loads of right wing, flag draped protesters flying around the country 2 years ago - when the Tories were in power🤔

Strange isn’t it … when the number of hotels housing asylum seekers has almost halved under the Labour government - but we’re suddenly so angry now!

Why not 2 years ago???

I know why the people of Epping are angry.

There is currently a court case involving a migrant resident of The Bell Hotel sexually assaulting a child.

FYI I was not in agreement with the Conservatives using Hotels to house migrants.

Casdon

Speaking logically, there was no other option. There is no alternative accommodation immediately available. I do realise that logic is out of the window on threads like this of course though.

There is to be a full hearing in October.

What this appeal has done is halt the injunction which meant the hotel had to be cleared before the full hearing takes place.

Not only that, it incentivised protest, by encouraging others to protest so they could claim that asylum seekers are damaging community cohesion. It's like punishing a victim because the bully won't go away.

The only person who claimed that migrants are more important than residents is Chris Philp (unless somebody can come up with a transcript of the hearing).

GrannyGravy13

LizzieDrip

MayBee70

It was the Conservative party that started housing migrants in hotels. Labour have said they will stop doing so but it can’t happen overnight. Yet another click bait heading that gransnet are happy to allow.

Correct MayBee.

Why weren’t people protesting about asylum seekers in hotels 2 years ago - when the Tories were in power? Why are they suddenly so angry now🤔

Why weren’t Tory councils taking the government to court about asylum seekers in hotels 2 years ago - when the Tories were in power? Why now🤔

Why weren’t bus loads of right wing, flag draped protesters flying around the country 2 years ago - when the Tories were in power🤔

Strange isn’t it … when the number of hotels housing asylum seekers has almost halved under the Labour government - but we’re suddenly so angry now!

Why not 2 years ago???

I know why the people of Epping are angry.

There is currently a court case involving a migrant resident of The Bell Hotel sexually assaulting a child.

FYI I was not in agreement with the Conservatives using Hotels to house migrants.

And that asylum seeker is in custody!

Are the local residents worried about all the other child abusers in their midst?

Judge who ruled in favour of Epping Forest council, 4 times Tory candidate:

“Sir Stephen Eyre, the high court judge who ruled in favour of Epping Forest council earlier this month was a Conservative parliamentary candidate four times.
His most high-profile bid to become an MP came in the 2004 Birmingham Hodge Hill by-election, won by current Labour MP and former minister Liam Byrne.
Appointed a high court judge by then Lord Chancellor Dominic Raab in 2021, Sir Stephen was a Tory candidate while working as a barrister.
His first attempt came in 1987, when he stood in Hodge Hill in that year's general election, coming second behind Labour's Terry Davis.
Then in 1992, the year of John Major's 21-seat election victory, he stood for the Northern Ireland Conservatives in the unionist stronghold of Strangford.
Eyre, as he then was, came fourth behind the official Unionists' John Taylor, with current Democratic Unionist MP for Antrim East Sammy Wilson in second place.
In 2001, he stood in Stourbridge, where he again came second, this time to Labour's Debra Shipley, when he cut her majority from nearly 6,000 to under 4,000.
And in the 2004 by-election, he came a distant third as Mr Byrne scraped in by just 460 votes ahead of the Liberal Democrats, who benefited from an Iraq war backlash.”

Source: Sky News online

localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk

woodenspoon

growstuff

woodenspoon

I believe Lord Justice Bean is involved in Matrix, isn’t that where Cherie Blair plied her trade? This has been reported online so it’s allegedly but still…..

Great username!

Ive had that username for a long time, like you. Is that all you can come up with.

Charming reply! Was it really necessary? Honestly, some people on here need to find a bit of humour and kindness! Why would anyone want to hurt somebody else deliberately? The mind boggles!

^And that asylum seeker is in custody!
Are the local residents worried about all the other child abusers in their midst?^

Precisely growstuff.

LizzieDrip

^And that asylum seeker is in custody!
Are the local residents worried about all the other child abusers in their midst?^

Precisely growstuff.

I imagine all citizens are worried about child abusers in their midst, regardless of colour or creed.

growstuff

Casdon

Speaking logically, there was no other option. There is no alternative accommodation immediately available. I do realise that logic is out of the window on threads like this of course though.

There is to be a full hearing in October.

What this appeal has done is halt the injunction which meant the hotel had to be cleared before the full hearing takes place.

Not only that, it incentivised protest, by encouraging others to protest so they could claim that asylum seekers are damaging community cohesion. It's like punishing a victim because the bully won't go away.

The only person who claimed that migrants are more important than residents is Chris Philp (unless somebody can come up with a transcript of the hearing).

Yes, and I was also thinking of the wider implications, because there is the potential for all hotels housing migrants to be subject to closure if there are similar objections. It sets a precedent which will leave a huge logistical problem if there are thousands of migrants with no housing.

In my opinion anyone applying for asylum in the U.K. should respect our culture and customs and not go about committing crimes.

That applies to all seeking to live here and become a citizen of the U.K.

Crossstitchfan

woodenspoon

growstuff

woodenspoon

I believe Lord Justice Bean is involved in Matrix, isn’t that where Cherie Blair plied her trade? This has been reported online so it’s allegedly but still…..

Great username!

Ive had that username for a long time, like you. Is that all you can come up with.

Charming reply! Was it really necessary? Honestly, some people on here need to find a bit of humour and kindness! Why would anyone want to hurt somebody else deliberately? The mind boggles!

I think you’ll find the person replying to me was being sarcastic. If you follow her usual replies to those against unfettered immigration you’ll see she’s well against those of us who don’t like it. My reply was in response to hers. There was no humour attached in either reply.

MayBee70

It was the Conservative party that started housing migrants in hotels. Labour have said they will stop doing so but it can’t happen overnight. Yet another click bait heading that gransnet are happy to allow.

Not click bait at all.
Breaking News in the UK on all channels. Worthy of discussion I thought?

If not interested it’s easy to scroll on by …

Why weren’t bus loads of right wing, flag draped protesters flying around the country 2 years ago - when the Tories were in power🤔

Because the country was not being flooded by thousands of illegal migrants at that time. Every attempt that was made to deport them was thwarted by Human Rights lawyers.
Why have you only realised just this?

BlueBelle

Never fail do you FGT

Pardon? Explain, if you please.

Casdon

Speaking logically, there was no other option. There is no alternative accommodation immediately available. I do realise that logic is out of the window on threads like this of course though.

Tories made a mess for 14 years.
However Labour (in opposition) also had 14 years … to come up with a workable solution as they vetoed Rwanda. (Which even Germany is pondering - outsourcing to other countries now the situation has escalated exponentially).

Clean, BASIC accommodation ought to be provided.
A doctor, nurse & dentist available.
Cut the ‘pull factor’ as Macron told us months ago.

We're treading on very dangerous ground when people start claiming that judges are politically motivated.

I have no doubt that this calumny has been started by the media, it started with the infamous ;Enemies of the people' headline in the Daily Mail when the High Court judged that Article 50 had to invoked with the consent of Parliament, not by the PM alone. It's been rumbling around a lot in the past 18 months.

It is crucial to democracy that we have an independent judiciary who base their judgements on the law of the land. The law as enacted by Parliament.

The awful mockery of justice that is happening in the US at the moment, with its politically appointed judiciary, should make people stop and think hard about what they are saying.

The Germans have real problems as do the Swiss. At least in Germany they are deporting them.

The UK government seem to make it difficult to deport them. Too many with vested interests doing their utmost to stop it. Charities, the Bishop of York has said it’s unchristian not that there will be much Christianity left in the UK at this rate, but I digress. Others with vested interests are the hotels and those with houses of multiple occupancy all earning a tidy sum. Some MPs also try to prevent it. Other countries give them the bare minimum. Not here.

MaizieD

We're treading on very dangerous ground when people start claiming that judges are politically motivated.

I have no doubt that this calumny has been started by the media, it started with the infamous ;Enemies of the people' headline in the Daily Mail when the High Court judged that Article 50 had to invoked with the consent of Parliament, not by the PM alone. It's been rumbling around a lot in the past 18 months.

It is crucial to democracy that we have an independent judiciary who base their judgements on the law of the land. The law as enacted by Parliament.

The awful mockery of justice that is happening in the US at the moment, with its politically appointed judiciary, should make people stop and think hard about what they are saying.

Then it behoves the judiciary to be seen to be upholding the law without fear or favour and since this government has come into power that doesn’t seem the case.

Lucy Connolly, Ricky Jones. Two examples.

The country is not ‘being flooded’, despite what the media, Tories and Reform would have you believe.

Those seeking asylum via ‘irregular’ routes (because there are no ‘regular’ routes) make up a tiny minority of the immigrants in this, upon whom we depend.

Thank God for the Human Rights lawyers who tried to maintain the dignity of this country by supporting those fleeing war and oppression. We used to be a country that offered sanctuary to those in need.

I realise my view is unpopular on GN - I’m fine with that.

Correction “in this country”

eazybee

^Why weren’t bus loads of right wing, flag draped protesters flying around the country 2 years ago - when the Tories were in power🤔^

Because the country was not being flooded by thousands of illegal migrants at that time. Every attempt that was made to deport them was thwarted by Human Rights lawyers.
Why have you only realised just this?

I hope that you are never on the wrong end of any removal of your human rights.

Governments have to abide by the law as it stands. they are at liberty to change it, but until they do so (if they do so) the law stands.

eachother.org.uk/the-14-worst-human-rights-myths/

LizzieDrip

The country is not ‘being flooded’, despite what the media, Tories and Reform would have you believe.

Those seeking asylum via ‘irregular’ routes (because there are no ‘regular’ routes) make up a tiny minority of the immigrants in this, upon whom we depend.

Thank God for the Human Rights lawyers who tried to maintain the dignity of this country by supporting those fleeing war and oppression. We used to be a country that offered sanctuary to those in need.

I realise my view is unpopular on GN - I’m fine with that.

Nobody would mind those genuinely fleeing war and oppression as you put it.

Nobody in the real world wants sex offenders, drug dealers, criminals, members of terrorist groups, economic migrants holed up in taxpayer funded hotels in their communities. Why should they?

I think this judgement should never have been appealed. The government have completely misjudged the feelings of its people.

Clean, BASIC accommodation ought to be provided. A doctor, nurse & dentist available

That is what’s provided.

Lucy Connolly, Ricky Jones. Two examples.

Perhaps you should find a lawyer to explain why they suffered the penalties they did. Not just parrot what you've read in the media.