Israel hits Qatar

When Qatar is so pro Hamas, there’s no wonder that no progress is being made. It needs an impartial facilitator.

I too find it preposterous and offensive that some on this thread and others openly share the assumption that if we don’t support what Israel is doing we support Hamas. This ‘either/or’ argument is unintelligent and says much more about those saying it than those who are accused.

Would love to believe that he is an innocent man. Then there would be hope. I will continue to speak out against him and his war crimes. Qatar is speaking out about the attack, and calling it international terrorism.

But the West must begin to support Israel.

That accusation is constantly in play on the Gaza threads. It is an ineffective attempt at deflection, and has not worked so far.

ronib

Okay Maremia … and a pause on the slander around Netanyahu would be appreciated too.

You mean we can’t critisize a world leader??
Since when??
And personal attacks are not the same as sounding off about a world leader or politician. Which I think, and certainly hope, you know.
Weak argument ronib.

Yes you can criticise if the criticism is valid. Of course. Babs03 but that’s a value judgement at the end of the day. Yours against mine.

The only progress that has been made, the only hostage releases that have been successful, and I am assuming that everyone on this thread feels that hostage release is a desirable thing, those releases were negotiated in Qatar, not in the White House, not Jelusalem, or London or anywhere else...Qatar.
An now Netanhahu has destryed that.

Everyone in the West? Spain has spoken out and acted against Israel, so has Ireland.

Don't you think 'war crimes' and 'genocide' are valid arguments toward criticism?

No

ronib

LizzieDrip sorry please explain. Are you saying that Hamas is not a proscribed terrorist organization?

I choose not to engage with you any further about this topic ronib.

And there we have ronib, you do not intend to speak out against war crimes and genocide.

My belief is that every civilians life is sacred and the defence of said civilians by a government is of course a high priority.
That goes for every country, everywhere.
Israel states this as the reason why it strikes other sovereign countries. So, my question is, shouldn’t the sovereign country struck feel the same priority to defend its civilians as Israel does??
Therefore meaning we should support the same military action against Israel because Qatar has a right to defend itself after being bombed, no?
Or is it only Israel that has a right to defend its civilians by bombing other countries with impunity?

Qatar is in bed with the terrorists acting against Israel. FYI legitimate target therefore.

ronib

LizzieDrip I don’t have any opportunity for a face to face interaction with the families of the hostages. Neither do I have any introduction to Hamas - which incidentally is a proscribed terrorist organization in the UK. It’s beyond belief that there are so many voices in its favour on GNet.

There are rather a lot of us that know the history of "Israel". We know about the Naqba - sorry...but many of us do know.

In my case - I got told decades ago by my father (who was serving with the British Royal Marines in Palestine at the time of the Naqba in the 1940s).

You would not want to hear his scathing comments about the actions by the Israelis then. Yep....so I am quite clear just who started all this aggro....and it was not the Palestinians (still less the other Arabic countries).

LizzieDrip

ronib

LizzieDrip sorry please explain. Are you saying that Hamas is not a proscribed terrorist organization?

I choose not to engage with you any further about this topic ronib.

...and I'm still wondering just how much those 3 Israeli women that head the Israeli Embassy in London are paid (ie to be apologists for the Israeli "government")..........

I've seen the main one on various things by now - well impressed (not!) by her.......

...Would you prefer directness ronib? Are you one of these 3 women?

Article: El Pais English Edition Newspaper - Spain ..

Prime Minister has stated that there shall be NO ammunition, NO rifles, NO guns, no combat materials sent to Israel.

Furthermore, there shall be NO Spanish Territories or Ports used by foreign entities for military / war activities.

This is excellent news.

@CariadAgain
I was flatly told that mentioning the history of the ongoing troubles was irrelevant with regard to what is happening today.
Yet the self same members feel free to give us all a potted history of antisemitism through the ages.
History either matters or it doesn’t and I think that if you ignore the history the same tragedies will just keep on happening.

CariadAgain

...Would you prefer directness ronib? Are you one of these 3 women?

CariadAgain I also have a relative once a Royal Marine Commando. He was very good at emphasising how his job was to follow orders and not question the legitimacy of the action. Clearly you come from this background? Well I don’t.

Btw I mean ongoing troubles in Israel.

Frenchgalinspain

Article: El Pais English Edition Newspaper - Spain ..

Prime Minister has stated that there shall be NO ammunition, NO rifles, NO guns, no combat materials sent to Israel.

Furthermore, there shall be NO Spanish Territories or Ports used by foreign entities for military / war activities.

This is excellent news.

Well done Spain!

ronib

CariadAgain

...Would you prefer directness ronib? Are you one of these 3 women?

CariadAgain I also have a relative once a Royal Marine Commando. He was very good at emphasising how his job was to follow orders and not question the legitimacy of the action. Clearly you come from this background? Well I don’t.

My relative was a very direct relative - ie my father. He knew very well about the "follow orders" bit - and his comment was "Those Israelis - they were chasing them (the Palestinians), they were killing them, we had to protect them (ie the Palestinians)" and a very expressive shudder/look of horror on his face.

I can't speak for all of them - as my father was way more intelligent than many of them (including the officers) - ie about 2 points below Mensa. If you've got a questioning mind and didnt go into the Armed forces by free choice = you've got a questioning mind ....

Now about those 3 women.....one or more of whom may well have British relatives.....

I thought it was America, who wanted Hamas in Qatar?