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Peter Mandelson - Epstein . Should Starmer sack him?

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Iam64 Wed 10-Sept-25 19:23:30

In 2008, Epstein pleaded guilty to soliciting sec from girls as yiung as 14. He was sentenced to 18 months in prison
Mandelson continued his friendship/business dealings with Epstein. The Telegraph reports when business secretary, Mandelson brokered a deal with Epstein after the conviction for child sex offences.
I heard PM today apologising, wishing he’d never met Epstein. He went on to apologise to the victims, he hadn’t noticed abuse of girls possibly because he’s gay and was there with his partner.
My view? How was he appointed? I knew about his links with Epstein which were always going to return to haunt him

AGAA4 Thu 11-Sept-25 11:23:04

This had to happen. After the disgusting letters to Epstein were revealed on the news there was no other option.

fancythat Thu 11-Sept-25 11:25:42

Anniebach

Quote fancythat Thu 11-Sept-25 11:06:52
It is bothering me a lot that Sir Kier Starmer didnt have the same thoughts as just about every poster on here.

He didn’t jump when media said ‘jump’

Wasnt just media!

Who else in the Country had "confidence" in him, as Sir Kier put it yesterday, apart from Sir Kier?

fancythat Thu 11-Sept-25 11:25:59

You?

Witzend Thu 11-Sept-25 11:26:56

TBH I always had a somewhat sleazy impression of Mandelson, and was astounded when he was appointed ambassador to the US.

Luckygirl3 Thu 11-Sept-25 11:30:40

He was a bad choice to start with considering his history. An error of judgement on Starmer's part.

Will he have the grace to resign? - I doubt it. So Starmer will have to step up to the plate.

Jane43 Thu 11-Sept-25 11:34:08

He’s been sacked Luckygirl3. “In light of additional information* according to the Foreign Office. He should never have been appointed.

Babs03 Thu 11-Sept-25 11:36:56

Why is this piece of work a Lord??
Do they hand them out primarily to reprobates and scoundrels?

RinseAndRepeat Thu 11-Sept-25 11:38:51

Forget about the Press; social media and expressed personal opinions on sites such as this, I am beginning to think that Palace officials may have been instrumental in getting the PM to take action.

Having Mandelson hovering around during a State Visit to the UK; sitting down at a State Banquet etc would have put our Monarch in an impossible position. I am sure that there were robust discussions behind closed doors.

For the avoidance of any doubt, the statement in Parliament earlier this morning made it very clear that Mandelson was removed from post: that is, he wasn’t allowed to resign.

Luckygirl3 Thu 11-Sept-25 11:38:56

Ah - thank you for updating me. The right decision.

Anniebach Thu 11-Sept-25 11:46:42

Must have been brought about by Badenoch, by the media, by reading of the media ?

He didn’t leap he chose the time

windmill1 Thu 11-Sept-25 11:48:07

Will the spotlight once again focus on Prince Andrew?

westendgirl Thu 11-Sept-25 11:49:49

What do you mean , Anniebach? Badenoch has no real power at all.I think Rinse and Repeat is nearer the truth.

LovesBach Thu 11-Sept-25 11:53:52

Peter Mandelson has managed to bounce back from scandal at least twice as far as I can recall; several highly questionable financial matters have seen him resign, or be remived from a position close to the government of the day. Will he do it again?

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 11-Sept-25 11:55:20

Iam64

I should add, I could see the reasons Mandelson was appointed. He seems to have made a reasonable start. But I believe him staying is untenable

I agree. It was possible to see why he was appointed. We need a very skilled Ambassador and he was that.

Galaxy Thu 11-Sept-25 11:57:40

Yes the skill of being sacked three times in four decades. A level of genius we can only aspire to.

AGAA4 Thu 11-Sept-25 12:03:36

Mandelson has never been far away from scandal.

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 11-Sept-25 12:05:45

A gay, Jewish guy befriends another man, and supports him, believing he is innocent. During this time he does an excellent job in difficult circumstances.

He's sacked because more information comes to hand.

That's it.

Galaxy Thu 11-Sept-25 12:12:18

It was clear he had dealings with epstein after his conviction that was in the last Guardian expose. I have no idea what his being jewish or gay has to do with anything.

Anniebach Thu 11-Sept-25 12:12:38

Quote DaisyAnneReturns Thu 11-Sept-25 12:05:45
A gay, Jewish guy befriends another man, and supports him, believing he is innocent. During this time he does an excellent job in difficult circumstances.

He's sacked because more information comes to hand.

That's it.

Yes

Mollygo Thu 11-Sept-25 12:15:22

I’m relieved he’s been sacked. It takes away the concern that KS wouldn’t do it in case of revelations.

MaizieD Thu 11-Sept-25 12:26:25

DaisyAnneReturns

Iam64

I should add, I could see the reasons Mandelson was appointed. He seems to have made a reasonable start. But I believe him staying is untenable

I agree. It was possible to see why he was appointed. We need a very skilled Ambassador and he was that.

He wasn't a skilled ambassador. He wasn't even a diplomat. We have plenty of them who do quietly unsung jobs in foreign countries.

Mandelson was a skilled fixer for the wealthy elite.

petra Thu 11-Sept-25 12:31:38

fancythat

Anniebach

Quote fancythat Thu 11-Sept-25 11:06:52
It is bothering me a lot that Sir Kier Starmer didnt have the same thoughts as just about every poster on here.

He didn’t jump when media said ‘jump’

Wasnt just media!

Who else in the Country had "confidence" in him, as Sir Kier put it yesterday, apart from Sir Kier?

Tony Blair 🤷‍♀️

Casdon Thu 11-Sept-25 12:41:27

I wonder if he was originally chosen because he was perceived to ba able to handle Trump, and that overrode concerns about his personal Epstein involvement. It’s an extremely difficult post to fill in the current USA political environment,

Any bets on who will be the next Ambassador?

fancythat Thu 11-Sept-25 13:00:35

petra

fancythat

Anniebach

Quote fancythat Thu 11-Sept-25 11:06:52
It is bothering me a lot that Sir Kier Starmer didnt have the same thoughts as just about every poster on here.

He didn’t jump when media said ‘jump’

Wasnt just media!

Who else in the Country had "confidence" in him, as Sir Kier put it yesterday, apart from Sir Kier?

Tony Blair 🤷‍♀️

Crumbs. You are right. TB did as well.

M0nica Thu 11-Sept-25 13:12:20

Now he can retire into the company of all his other dodgy friends and spend more time with his family!

But what a flagrant example of Keir Stamer's cloth-eared incompetence that he was even considered for the post let alone given it.. Or perhaps Mandelson had something on Starmer, so that he had to make the offer.