Charlie Kirk shot

By minors I should say young people

I don't under any circumstances want my children protected in that way Babs. I am afraid I would probably warn them against people who wanted to protect them in that way.

For me there are separate issues here.

First there is the very serious political violence largely from young people, who seem so disaffected by and disengaged from the democratic process.

Secondly there is the apparent inability to debate anything without descending into verbal warfare further pushing the opposite sides apart. This is encouraged by SM. And all leads into the first above.

Lastly, what the hell are the politicians doing?

Anniebach

To speak of a persons belief when speaking of his brutal murdered !

I agree with the OP, if 'some deaths are justifiable', in his stated opinion, to protect the 2nd amendment, then that is relevant when he ends up being one of the "justifiable" deaths.

Not to say I would have wanted him shot, but the OP is not out of order to post what they did, imo.

Whitewavemark2

For me there are separate issues here.

First there is the very serious political violence largely from young people, who seem so disaffected by and disengaged from the democratic process.

Secondly there is the apparent inability to debate anything without descending into verbal warfare further pushing the opposite sides apart. This is encouraged by SM. And all leads into the first above.

Lastly, what the hell are the politicians doing?

I saw someone mention that these young adults have only known Trump politics really. Since puberty, they have watched the media, and their families, glorify Trump's behavior. Trump has advocated for violence since he stepped on the stage 10 years ago.

These kids don't know anything else. Especially when being raised in a MAGA household IMO.

Babs03

Oreo

Closing down speeches by those you consider undesirable is the new fad, much beloved in, of all places, Universities.

As you can imagine young minds can easily be influenced and young people easily groomed.
Am sure you wouldn’t want an Islamic extremism making a speech in a university, nobody would, nor would I or many more want an extremist like Kirk making a speech.
Sometimes extreme hate speech masquerades as freedom of speech.
Universities have to protect minors in their charge.

Strongly disagree with your take on things.
Students are 18 and upwards in age so are not minors in any case.
Protecting them in a bubble of niceness is not the way to go.
University should expand their minds not close them off.

He was a college dropout apparently, and the signs of radicalisation were there.
www.cnn.com/2025/09/12/us/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-invs

I think closing them off is probably counter-productive.

Especially with someone like Kirk who is mainly influential through social media & mayn't live up to expectations when he's pontificating in the flesh, & in front of a live audience who may show up his fallibilities.

In the flesh is where he did most of his debating, it was his thing.

I shall do him the courtesy of letting his own words be his epitaph.

Maremia

I shall do him the courtesy of letting his own words be his epitaph.

Exactly

Berd

Maremia

I shall do him the courtesy of letting his own words be his epitaph.

Exactly

Agree wholeheartedly!

Oreo

growstuff

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Casdon

I don’t understand why you continue to stoke the flames FGT2, thus contributing to the ‘febrile nonsense’. People have different opinions and are expressing them, that’s all.

Oh Casdon just no.
Have you read some of the vile posts on here? Beyond crass.

Not mourning somebody with vile views isn't beyond crass.

Only vile views in your eyes, in many they aren’t at all vile.
The main thing is that do you consider it ok if those that you find to have vile views are shut up permanently by shooting them?
That would mean that only those chosen ones that you agree with should be mourned.It’s a slippery slope.

Yes ... and I'm entitled to my opinion (however much Madame Oreo might disapprove).

His views were racist, misogynistic and bigoted - there really is no denying that. Racism and misogyny presumably don't bother you, so we see things from a different viewpoint. That's fine. I think your views are vile and you seem to think the same of mine.

Why are the media in the uk making much more of this than the recent murder of the democrat senator and her husband?

Oreo, I hope that you have read my previous posts in which I blame this shooting on the gun culture of the USA rather than any political stance .
However, I am surprised to hear you suggest that in some eyes, his views are not vile.
I find it difficult to think of anyone who would defend his views on the innate inferiority of Black women, or his enthusiasm for public, televised, executions.

It’s a different headline to the Labour government reshuffle, Angela Rayner buying a freehold flat, the Mandy Ambassador sacking, Lord Alli’s rental property, deputy leader of the Labour Party…..,,,And so on. It was very Labour centric this week. vegansrock

Also Charlie Kirk was 31, leaves a wife and two small children. At a human level, it’s tragic. The father of the assassin seems to have been a policeman. How sad for this family too.

I never once said that young minds should be closed off, and I corrected my use of the word minors. But am pretty sure that giving some people a platform in universities is totally unpalatable, I mean where do you draw the line if you want young minds exposed to all undesirables? A member of Hamas? Andrew Tate?
There is a line to be drawn by universities, and those saying this is incorrect might have felt differently if their 18 year old children were exposed to an antisemitic ideology or hate speech against women.
Perhaps not. Perhaps they think this would be ok. I certainly don’t. And like Noam Chomsky believe that freedom of speech is a fiction and only suits people when what is being said chimes with their own take on things.

I think his father handed him in if the stories are accurate.

Whether you give people a platform in universities or not, and there’s been quite a few undesirables over the years, young people seek out views that they agree with online. They are not and never will be limited to being swayed by university speakers. Not in these days of the internet. Banning individuals gives them currency.

Galaxy

I think his father handed him in if the stories are accurate.

I think his father told a family friend, who informed the authorities.
‘Last night, one of Robinson’s family members reached out to a family friend, who then contacted authorities “with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident,” according to Utah Gov. Spencer Cox.’ That’s from CNN.
Poor father.

I don't want the universities deciding what is hate speech against women, dear God.

Applegran

The president of the USA has understandably condemned this murder and is doing everything he can to make sure people know about it and grieve and condemn murder. It is legitimate to ask why he has said so little about murders of politicians who were not members of his party.

Agreed Applegran

"Also Charlie Kirk was 31, leaves a wife and two small children. At a human level, it’s tragic."

Oh plz!

Yes it is tragic, I don't deny it. Nobody deserves to be assassinated

Young innocent kids that go to school are killed due to gun violence everyday get way less sympathy than this last event.
So many broken families, parents, etc

Plenty of innocent church goers, mallgoers, etc

I have plenty of empathy, but this is covering something way bigger (pedophile report anybody, justification to invade cities with National Guard, loss of elections, etc) and people are not seeing the big picture here

This is a political act - plain and simple - to advance his fascist agenda.

Whose fascist agenda?Hithere

You kidding me right?