Charlie Kirk shot

I do understand that perusal feelings can run string where there had been hurt, but perhaps someone - as I've not been able to keep up for a couple of days

Anyone au fait with the situation with Kirk's killer now? A summary would be most appreciated.

Run string? I mean run strong.

imaround

The NY times has the copy of the charges. I have not had time to read it, but wanted to post them for those who will be following the case. I didn't get a paywall when I opened it n

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/09/16/us/tyler-robinson-charges.html

It won’t open for me, I did try.

He looked very blank in court as though he was disassociating.

Me too, Oreo, its behind a paywall.

Maybe when imaround is in she can give us a helpful summary?

Yes behind a paywall
I expect the alleged shooter has significant mh issues

I think this article has some updates. I will pull up the actual charges and post them and give a better update later today. Sorry about the paywall, I had hoped it wouldn't be an issue.

www.cnn.com/2025/09/17/us/tyler-robinson-court-what-happens-next

LizzieDrip

Thanks for the response Galaxy.

I hadn’t heard of Charlie Kirk until he was murdered, so I’ve researched him, his views and his words.

I find that I disagree with him on almost everything he talked about. More than that, I find many of his views abhorrent, particularly those relating to women, race and empathy for others.

Yet, many people (even on GN) appear to almost ‘idolise’ him. TBH, I’m finding this difficult to get my head round - hence my search for some sort of understanding.

I think, I’m currently trying to make my own sense of a world that I find increasingly incomprehensible. Futile maybe, but I like to understand things!

I was the same as you. I hadn't heard of this man before his assassination. turns out he was a thoroughly obnoxious man masquerading as a devout Christian. I expect made quite a few enemies.
I never post anything unless I check my facts 1st. In essence Charlie Kirk was a misogynist . He told Taylor Swift to submit to her future husband. He believed women should stay at home and raise the children. (Nice in an ideal world but how many women can afford that luxury these days with the cost of mortgages and cost of living in general). He was a racist (as already discussed on this post). He was once on a plane with a black pilot and was worried that the plane might crash.He was anti LGBTQ, (for people born this way it is natural to them. So long as they keep themselves to themselves live and let live. Look what they did to Alan Turing just because he was gay! There is a good chance we would all be under a Nazi rule but for him!). He thought empathy was a new age made up word. He thought that abortion was the same as the holocaust and even if his daughter (who was about 5 years old at the time) was raped he would make her carry on with the pregnancy. He believed it was OK for some to die if it meant keeping the 2nd amendment. (I wonder if he would have felt the same way if someone had shot his daughter?). So as far as he was concerned children who were shot at school were collateral damage and compared their deaths to road traffic accidents! you have to consciously pull the trigger of a gun! Oh and in an episode of his podcasts, called for a "patriot" to bail out of jail the man who broke into Nancy Pelosi's house and attacked and tried to murder her husband with a hammer. Some flaming Christian he was! He lived by the gun and died by it. I do not condone anyone being shot.I feel sorry for his family especially the children by I certainly will not mourn his death!

Oh and another thing he thought all executions should be a public spectacle and that children of a certain age should be made to watch as a warning and perhaps it could be sponsored by Coca Cola!

Thank you imaround that helps.
If it turns Federal, does that force the death penalty or leave the same situation ie it’s up to a reliable insanity plea?

I loathe everything Charlie Kirk stood for. I’m anxious that the Potus admired and agreed with him

I mourn his death because it will, already is contributing to the angry divides between so called conservative and liberal thinkers

Who will be executed next ? We need consensus where possible, not hatred and rage

We know little of the alleged murderer yet but already familiar themes are emerging. A family noticing him changing, spending huge amount of time on risky internet sites , dropping out of college

Here we go. Thank goodness for the BBC sometimes. American media is in shambles right now.

In one of the updates, it has transcripts of his texts after the shooting. What is so strange about this suspect is that there really were no warning signs ahead of time, other than his family saying he seemed more political.

www.bbc.com/news/live/c04qenww53pt

An example of what we sometimes see is that the suspects showed warning signs ahead of time. The school shooting that happened here on Colorado the same day Kirk was shot, the suspect had been investigated by the FBI starting in June for his online postings. In that case, because the shooter did not use his own name, the FBI was unable to figure out who he was ahead of time.

www.9news.com/article/news/crime/evergreen-colorado-school-shooting-fbi-tip/73-9e393167-b4b1-4aaa-ab04-ae1442730367

His motive appears to be that Charlie Kirk was spreading hate. To be frank, of all the "hate spreaders" out there, Charlie Kirk was low level. His message wasn't nice, but he didn't appear to be calling for violence. Just the opposite from what I saw. Barely a blip in the scheme of things IMO. Seems like a strange target if hate spreading was a motive.

Very good post Iam

Quite simply, I do not want him to put him to death: if I were in the US, I'd contribute to a support fund. This is not to say what he did was OK in any way, but that in the circumstances we already know, he should be in prison.

In a better country in this respect - like the prisons in say Denmark - he could become a valued member of society with treatment. In gun toting US?

Wyllow, I’ve long wished our government would follow the lead of Dutch and Scandinavian education and criminal justice

We have for profit prisons in the US. We will never have a system like the Dutch because of that.

And now we have for-profit holding camps for migrants. There is always going to be the need for human capital unless something changes.

Alarmed at the way journalists and presenters are being shut down and let go because of their opposition to Trump.

Agreed, Iam

In the USA return to prison rate is 66%. Huge, inflated institutions, costing ??? in taxes.

imaround, I have never believed essential public services should be provided by for profit organisations. It’s gradually become the norm and services have not improved in any way. Local authorities used to set up, fund and manage services for children, families and adults.
Local social work teams functioned alongside other multi disciplinary teams and charities. Constructive working relationships developed, services got to know service users so more personal support could be available.

I don’t claim it was problem free but so much better. We had meals on wheels and home care as daily visitors to housebound, isolated older people, for example. Now it’s seven ready micro meals delivered weekly. A private agency pays its carers 15 minutes to meet the needs of a service user, the carer isn’t paid for travel time between clients. As for children’s services 🙈

Whitewavemark2

Alarmed at the way journalists and presenters are being shut down and let go because of their opposition to Trump.

I do not believe in the death penalty.

(Mind you when I hear cases involving children it does pop into my head that prison is too good for them but the state taking a life is legalised murder, and I cannot condone that)

Oops sorry Whitewavemark2 I quoted the wrong post, yes it is worrying The Jimmy Kimmel Show has been cancelled indefinitely.

The only worry I have over Jimmy Kimmel is that the cancellation isn’t permanent.
Surely it’s highly inflammatory to feed the beast in the aftermath of this tragedy? Or is it the case that anything goes these days?

ronib

The only worry I have over Jimmy Kimmel is that the cancellation isn’t permanent.
Surely it’s highly inflammatory to feed the beast in the aftermath of this tragedy? Or is it the case that anything goes these days?

Did you listen to what he said?

The point is, it isn’t about one TV show host, it is a slow incremental increase of the closing down of free speech.

This really is a deadly serious issue for all Americans and indeed us (look at the calls to take away the ability to support various causes etc).

Voltaire it is not.

Voltaire it is not.

ronib

The only worry I have over Jimmy Kimmel is that the cancellation isn’t permanent.
Surely it’s highly inflammatory to feed the beast in the aftermath of this tragedy? Or is it the case that anything goes these days?

Anything goes ?
It seems to coin a phrase, two tier approach here. Charlie Kirk and Mr Trump can make offensive comments. Those who disagree with their views lose their right to speak

Saying that … the Maga gang desperately trying to characterise this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them.
This is a lie.

Good point Iam64.
Free speech only allowed by some.