Why do so many people support Reform, and Tommy Robinson

Not well said at all, just a very arrogant assumption that most on the protest last Saturday were of low IQ.
The same sort of mindset that causes governments to fall and revolutions.

The couple I know that went to London are a nurse & engineer, both Labour voters.
I think I would have to disagree with that statement.

I don’t think it’s about intellectual capacity so much as it’s about susceptibility. Some people challenge every idea, find out detail, often to the nth degree, then decide, and others don’t, they go with the flow.

However anyone likes to spin it though.

If you attended the rally on Saturday, you support Robinson.

No question.

Mt61

The couple I know that went to London are a nurse & engineer, both Labour voters.
I think I would have to disagree with that statement.

Did they come back applauding the racist and insurrectionist speeches?

If you attended the rally on Saturday, you support Robinson
I agree and dear old Katie Hopkins has found a way of getting noticed again.

Jayceee

I think the march organised by TR was a vehicle for ordinary everyday folk to jump on to to express their concerns for a variety of issues including illegal imigration. There will always be persons who support the far left but I think what some people were saying is they are not against immigration just illegal immigration, the costs and the lack of process. We have people on our streets sleeping rough who are not entitled to accommodation food /support but we have illegals entering the country who automatically receive it. They have no passports/ documentation there are no background checks etc. our country need people from all walks of life but there has to be a process Ordinary people feel their voices are not being heard so they see strength in organisations they would not normally associate with
I don’t have the answer but I hope for the sake of our grandchildren that a solution can be found soon.

Can I ask where you got the idea that people sleeping rough on the streets are not entitled to any government help, and that ‘illegals’ automatically receive it?

Oreo

Not well said at all, just a very arrogant assumption that most on the protest last Saturday were of low IQ.
The same sort of mindset that causes governments to fall and revolutions.

Agreed.

And as for the thread that racists are mentally ill..words fail me.

Or was it mentally ill people are racists.
I cant even remember, it is all so awful.

fancythat

Or was it mentally ill people are racists.
I cant even remember, it is all so awful.

I think it is more nuanced than that. Isn't it reasonable to suggest that whilst racism is not a mental illness, people who are psychologically well-balanced don't hate others based on where their ancestors came from? Also, I think the OP of that thread was just a starting point. Racism has to come from somewhere, and it is interesting to think about why some people are racist and others not.

^ Isn't it reasonable to suggest that whilst racism is not a mental illness, people who are psychologically well-balanced don't hate others based on where their ancestors came from? ^

No!!! It is not!!!

And it may be more nuanced, but there are so many ways that thread is wrong, I would be here all day. Literally.

MayBee70

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Most Reform voters don't support Tommy Robinson - they are two different things

No they’re not .

Yes they are 😂

fancythat

^ Isn't it reasonable to suggest that whilst racism is not a mental illness, people who are psychologically well-balanced don't hate others based on where their ancestors came from? ^

No!!! It is not!!!

No.
It is a load of bunkum and other such words.

Doodledog

fancythat

Or was it mentally ill people are racists.
I cant even remember, it is all so awful.

I think it is more nuanced than that. Isn't it reasonable to suggest that whilst racism is not a mental illness, people who are psychologically well-balanced don't hate others based on where their ancestors came from? Also, I think the OP of that thread was just a starting point. Racism has to come from somewhere, and it is interesting to think about why some people are racist and others not.

I agree Doodledog, surely a psychological perspective is useful?

If you Google psychology of racism, that is not just one article that has been cherry picked to make a point, there are plenty of other studies reaching similar conclusions. I don’t really understand why that in itself would upset anybody really.

^ I don’t really understand why that in itself would upset anybody really.

You dont? Good gosh.

Explain fancythat?

I agree---a good post from Monica.

It raises another question: why do so many people who feel disenfranchised endorse simplistic solutions?

Daddima

Jayceee

I think the march organised by TR was a vehicle for ordinary everyday folk to jump on to to express their concerns for a variety of issues including illegal imigration. There will always be persons who support the far left but I think what some people were saying is they are not against immigration just illegal immigration, the costs and the lack of process. We have people on our streets sleeping rough who are not entitled to accommodation food /support but we have illegals entering the country who automatically receive it. They have no passports/ documentation there are no background checks etc. our country need people from all walks of life but there has to be a process Ordinary people feel their voices are not being heard so they see strength in organisations they would not normally associate with
I don’t have the answer but I hope for the sake of our grandchildren that a solution can be found soon.

Can I ask where you got the idea that people sleeping rough on the streets are not entitled to any government help, and that ‘illegals’ automatically receive it?

I'd also be interested in an answer to that question.

It seems to me that some big fat lies are being accepted as truth and the basis for grievances.

It would be good for the facts to be out there - in black and white - so people know what various groups' entitlements are.

Not all people with psychological disorders are racists.

Just as not all white van men are racists.

Just as not all so called right wing people (I dislike that description intensely, it is bandied around so frequently it has lost any relevance) are racists.

Racists are not one homogeneous group, who really knows what makes someone a racist.

Is it something that happened in their childhood, is it an incident at work, is it something they have witnessed first hand?

Does disliking someone who happens to be non-white for any reason make one a racist?

I have often been told on GN that white people cannot experience racism odd because I have witnessed it and been subjected to it in an African country.

This really is a how long is a piece of string quandary, with a no size fits all solution.

Homeless people are entitled benefits in theory, how many are in receipt of any form of benefit I have no idea.

fancythat

Oreo

Not well said at all, just a very arrogant assumption that most on the protest last Saturday were of low IQ.
The same sort of mindset that causes governments to fall and revolutions.

Agreed.

And as for the thread that racists are mentally ill..words fail me.

Do you understand the difference between mental illness and states such as emotional immaturity?

I think there are 5 or 6 posters on this forum who like to stir.
And not in a good way.
I also think they may be trying to contribute to stirring the Uk as a whole.

I need to limit what I post so as not to add fuel to their fire.

fancythat

I think there are 5 or 6 posters on this forum who like to stir.
And not in a good way.
I also think they may be trying to contribute to stirring the Uk as a whole.

I need to limit what I post so as not to add fuel to their fire.

Yep! I've long thought we have a couple of Reform/TR activists amongst us.

GrannyGravy13

Homeless people are entitled benefits in theory, how many are in receipt of any form of benefit I have no idea.

Yes, they are entitled to them. I have some very limited experience of working with the homeless, but I know there are some posters on GN who have more experience and could tell you some of the reasons they don't claim them.

My own experience was limited to volunteering in a shelter. Drug and alcohol consumption was strictly forbidden in the premises, but there were some people who couldn't refrain, so they were evicted. Comparing asylum seekers with all homeless is like comparing apples and oranges.