Why do so many people support Reform, and Tommy Robinson

Casdon

Doodledog

fancythat

Or was it mentally ill people are racists.
I cant even remember, it is all so awful.

I think it is more nuanced than that. Isn't it reasonable to suggest that whilst racism is not a mental illness, people who are psychologically well-balanced don't hate others based on where their ancestors came from? Also, I think the OP of that thread was just a starting point. Racism has to come from somewhere, and it is interesting to think about why some people are racist and others not.

I agree Doodledog, surely a psychological perspective is useful?

If you Google psychology of racism, that is not just one article that has been cherry picked to make a point, there are plenty of other studies reaching similar conclusions. I don’t really understand why that in itself would upset anybody really.

Nor do I, and I'm afraid shouting No! with lots of exclamation marks won't help me to understand what I am missing.

Is the idea that it is psychologically well-balanced to hate people based on their ancestry? I just can't see that at all.

fancythat

I think there are 5 or 6 posters on this forum who like to stir.
And not in a good way.
I also think they may be trying to contribute to stirring the Uk as a whole.

I need to limit what I post so as not to add fuel to their fire.

I’m not trying to stir fancythat, I genuinely don’t understand why you feel that a psychological theory with widespread recognition as valid by psychologists themselves would be inflammatory. They aren’t saying it applies universally, it’s a theory?

I think there are 5 or 6 posters on this forum who like to stir
And not in a good way

Oh 100% - and they spend half their life on here too.
just wish there was a ‘hide poster’ option - then I wouldn’t have to read threads about reform voters being mentally ill

A psychological perspective is relevant to understanding all human behaviour and action. Why would it be considered inflammatory?

Why? Because they dont understand that Farage couldn't give two hoots about the "ordinary" man/woman in the street. Where is all the money going to come from to carry out his projects when the Tories and Labour couldn't find?

Kettle - Pot ?

Kandinsky

*I think there are 5 or 6 posters on this forum who like to stir*
And not in a good way

Oh 100% - and they spend half their life on here too.
just wish there was a ‘hide poster’ option - then I wouldn’t have to read threads about reform voters being mentally ill

But neither the thread nor the article even mentioned Reform voters. It was about racism, which many Reform voters deny, and is not exclusive to the Right anyway.

There are posters on this board who literally hate white working class men.
They hate them with a passion. It seeps out of their posts like poison.

Gosh Kandinsky, I keep missing all of those.

Kandinsky

There are posters on this board who literally hate white working class men.
They hate them with a passion. It seeps out of their posts like poison.

😄😄 Are you feeling in a bad mood today?.

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Ahh,
So now I’m suffering from mood swings or I’m on drugs.
This place is awful.

Can you help me understand which posters hate white working class men Kandinsky? It’s a serious criticism to make. If you really believe it, name posters and give an example of posts that show ‘they hate them with a passion. It seeps out of their posts like poison’

Kandinsky

Ahh,
So now I’m suffering from mood swings or I’m on drugs.
This place is awful.

What you describe sounds like hell. I don't think people with their wits about them would want to hang around for long, if they found themselves in such a place.

growstuff

I’m not going to leave GN to please you.
Thankfully most people on here are lovely. It’s just the N&P board that’s toxic.

From now on I’ll completely ignore your posts ( & wwm’s & a few others )
I’ll ask that you ignore mine too!

Crikey.

You can’t dictate who reads or responds to your posts Kandinsky.

I see you’re ignoring my question about white working class men. I simply can’t understand what you’ve read on this forum that makes you reach that conclusion.

There was a discussion on News and Politics recently about what ‘working class ‘ means now. It was interesting. What do yiu identify as working class

Caleo

I agree---a good post from Monica.

It raises another question: why do so many people who feel disenfranchised endorse simplistic solutions?

In one word: desperation.

So every deprived area in my area has flags up, the middle class villages don't.
I am afraid I think this is very much about class.
Paul Mason recently tweeted about the riots describing 'football types on to their third can of lager'. He is describing most of the population of the villages that surround me (men who go to the football - if they can still afford it - and have a pint).
I am not referring to anyone on this thread but class does permeate this issue.

Iam64

I’m not deliberately ignoring you. I dip in and out of GN so miss lots.
I’m not going to post ( or read ) the N&P board anymore as it’s too argumentative and divisive - imo often intentionally.

Hopefully I’ll bump into you on other threads as I like your posts.

Galaxy
It could be suggested that the deprived areas are somehow affected by immigration whereas the middle class villages aren’t.

Thank you for responding Kandinsky. FWIW, I agree N and P seems increasingly divisive. I’m not asking you to say any more but the reason I kept trying to understand your concern about white working class men is my belief that the way some debates get horribly polarised is stopping debate.
It isn’t confined to this forum it’s nation wide and international

We need to talk and listen to points of view we disagree with

petra

Galaxy
It could be suggested that the deprived areas are somehow affected by immigration whereas the middle class villages aren’t.

That's not universally true. I know of an number of deprived areas where there are hardly any immigrants.

It is true that some towns and suburbs of cities have a high concentration of communities with an immigration background - mainly with the cheapest, less desirable housing. It depends on the industrial history of the places concerned.

What is also true is that there the majority of places in the UK are hardly affected by immigration. Horror stories about immigration are mainly second hand and gleaned from the media.

petra

Galaxy
It could be suggested that the deprived areas are somehow affected by immigration whereas the middle class villages aren’t.

In 2021, the average percentage of UK residents who didn't identify as "UK" was 9.7%.

Cambridge is one of the richest cities in the UK. The percent who didn't identify as "UK" was 26.9%, which is nearly three times the national average.

Yes it is a complex picture and certainly the villages I am thinking of don't of course have the levels of immigration that local cities do. But it isn't as if people from villages don't go to cities and see levels of immigration
It is also something to do with the disparaging of things (flags, culture, etc) that are very important to people. Maybe people who don't have a lot to cling on to.
I don't think either group are able really to understand the other. And that is going to prove increasingly problematic.