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Racism is a result of poor psychological functioning

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 07:24:51

Steve Taylor, a senior psychological university lecturer has produced an article which outlines how racism may develop, and the 5 stages leading to it.

“ Research shows a link between prejudice and poor psychological functioning, including poor relationships with insecurity and aggression. This can often be traced back to a disturbed and insecure childhood. Other research has shown a link between racism and anxiety, demonstrating that people become more prejudiced during challenging times.

More generally, studies demontrate that when people are made to feel insecure or anxious, they are more likely to identify with their national or ethnic groups. This enhances their self-esteem and their sense of identity, as a defence against insecurity and anxiety.

There are clearly social and economic factors that encourage racism, such as hierarchy and inequality. But the above research suggests that racism is largely a psychological defence mechanism against anxiety and insecurity.”

The 5 stages

1. L“the process begins when a person lacks a sense of security and identity, which generates a desire to affiliate themselves with a group. This affiliation strengthens their identity and provides a sense of belonging.

What’s wrong with this? Why shouldn’t we take pride in our national or religious identity, and feel a sense of brotherhood or sisterhood with others who share our identity?

2. Because group identity often leads to a second, more dangerous stage. In order to further strengthen their sense of identity, members of a group may develop antagonism towards other groups. Such hostility may make the group feel more defined and cohesive, as if they can see themselves more clearly in opposition to others.

3. A third stage of the process is when members of a group withdraw empathy from members of other groups, limiting their concern and compassion to their peers. They may act benevolently towards members of their own group but be indifferent or callous to anyone outside it. The withdrawal of empathy turns other human beings into objects, and enables cruelty and violence.

4. Fourth is the homogenisation of individuals belonging to other groups. People are no longer perceived in terms of their individual personalities or behaviour, but in terms of prejudices about the group as a whole. Any member of the group is a legitimate target and can be punished for the alleged transgressions of other individuals from the group. In contemporary terms, any asylum seeker can be punished for the alleged crime of an individual asylum seeker.

5. Finally, people may project their own psychological flaws and personal failings onto another group, as a strategy of avoiding responsibility. Other groups become scapegoats, and consequently are liable to attacked or even murdered. People with strong narcissistic and paranoid personality traits are especially prone to such projection, since they struggle to accept their personal faults, instead searching for others to take the blame.

In other words, racism is a symptom of psychological ill-health, a sign of anxiety and of a lack of identity and inner security. Psychologically healthy people with a stable sense of identity and security are very rarely (if ever) racist. They ultimately have no need to strengthen their sense of self through group identity.

The Conversation
16/9/25

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 18:00:43

growstuff

CariadAgain I'm not denying that kind of thing happens, but it seems that you're using it as an excuse (or at least a mitigating factor) for white on black racism?

Wouldn't it be better for everybody to be more tolerant rather than saying "Well, the other side did something, so I'll do it too". In fact, that takes me right back to the primary school playground, so maybe claims that racists are psychologically stunted in some way have a point.

You clearly haven’t understood anything from CariadAgain as she highlights the fact that even within the UK English people who don’t speak Welsh can be sidelined for jobs, even jobs that aren’t customer facing, or can be made to feel uncomfortable on purpose.

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 18:02:19

Allira

CariadAgain

local county council = Ceredigion.

😁
That's why DH failed to get a job once.
He went a long way for the interview and it was going really well in English - until the very last question. Yes, you've guessed it!
The job did not entail dealing or even speaking to members of the public.

It happens and shows that there are many kinds of prejudice.

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 18:13:42

mum2three

Human beings are tribal. We all need to have a sense of belonging to a particular group of people. The names of countries have mostly come about because of the tribes which settled there and claimed the land as their own. There is a natural sense of hostility towards outsiders. It helps to strengthen the bond within our own tribe. The word 'racism' has been hijacked by those who wish to increase tensions between ethnic groups. It is natural to feel wary towards those who have invaded our territory.

Immigrants have been a part of our history since the crusades. Jewish immigrants bailed out our monarchy many hundreds of years ago when the King was bankrupt, India has a long history linked to ours with immigrants coming here centuries ago as traders as well as working in our mills and other industries together with black immigrants who also came here centuries ago as slaves then to prop up our economy after the Second World War by working their socks off due to a lack of workers in certain jobs. The first Muslims also came here after the crusades with crusaders whom they worked for.
These people are not outsiders but part of the tribe.
And many made the ultimate sacrifice in wars fought over the past century.
So why be hostile?
Those coming here now are probably related to those who settled her centuries ago, not strangers but very much part of what made this country great.

Casdon Wed 17-Sept-25 18:27:54

Oreo

Allira

CariadAgain

local county council = Ceredigion.

😁
That's why DH failed to get a job once.
He went a long way for the interview and it was going really well in English - until the very last question. Yes, you've guessed it!
The job did not entail dealing or even speaking to members of the public.

It happens and shows that there are many kinds of prejudice.

It happens both ways of course, the English have the reputation of looking down on the Welsh - prejudice is all around us, women don’t get the jobs they deserve, nor do people with disabilities, or people who don’t fit whatever brief has been set by those interviewing. It’s not racial prejudice though, the English and Welsh are the same race - just prejudice.

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 18:33:46

Never heard any English person look down on the Welsh, the past maybe but not now.Think it’s much much more the other way around.
Prejudice is prejudice even if not racial.

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 18:36:17

It’s good that we’ve been able to discuss the OP and it seems very few agree with those theories by Steve Taylor.

petra Wed 17-Sept-25 18:39:28

escaped

^The overwhelming view was frustration that nobody would listen when they tried to speak of their experiences.^
And isn't that exactly why, when people feel exasperated and angry, they make more noise in order to be heard?
I've witnessed it here in France, where a nation of rational thinkers, (like Descartes, Voltaire, and Rousseau), has turned into a loud mass of dissatisfied protesters, who are equally violent and attack the police.

I repeat, rising emotions about racism often stimulate thought, which eventually calls for a revision of decisions that might lead to more desirable outcomes. It doesn't mean that everyone with something to say is racist or unintelligent. Not at all.

In a nutshell 👏👏👏👏

growstuff Wed 17-Sept-25 18:41:33

Oreo

growstuff

CariadAgain I'm not denying that kind of thing happens, but it seems that you're using it as an excuse (or at least a mitigating factor) for white on black racism?

Wouldn't it be better for everybody to be more tolerant rather than saying "Well, the other side did something, so I'll do it too". In fact, that takes me right back to the primary school playground, so maybe claims that racists are psychologically stunted in some way have a point.

You clearly haven’t understood anything from CariadAgain as she highlights the fact that even within the UK English people who don’t speak Welsh can be sidelined for jobs, even jobs that aren’t customer facing, or can be made to feel uncomfortable on purpose.

How rude! If you read carefully and critically, you will see that I have understood what is written.

Hmmm! Maye I'll report this for being a personal insult to my intelligence.

growstuff Wed 17-Sept-25 18:43:56

escaped

^The overwhelming view was frustration that nobody would listen when they tried to speak of their experiences.^
And isn't that exactly why, when people feel exasperated and angry, they make more noise in order to be heard?
I've witnessed it here in France, where a nation of rational thinkers, (like Descartes, Voltaire, and Rousseau), has turned into a loud mass of dissatisfied protesters, who are equally violent and attack the police.

I repeat, rising emotions about racism often stimulate thought, which eventually calls for a revision of decisions that might lead to more desirable outcomes. It doesn't mean that everyone with something to say is racist or unintelligent. Not at all.

Which experiences are you talking about? What have people actually personall experienced? It would be good to know what you're actually talking about.

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 18:45:49

It didn’t appear to me that you had got the meaning of the posts by CariadAgain.
Do report anything you want to.

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 18:47:00

escaped 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

growstuff Wed 17-Sept-25 18:47:51

Oreo

Never heard any English person look down on the Welsh, the past maybe but not now.Think it’s much much more the other way around.
Prejudice is prejudice even if not racial.

Delve a bit deeper! Wales is in itself a derogatory term. "Wal" is an old Germanic term meaning outsider with an implication of inferiority. It's the same element found in the word "Walloon". It was used by Old English speakers to describe Celts. NB. The Welsh themselves don't use the word to describe their country and nationality.

growstuff Wed 17-Sept-25 18:48:17

Oreo

It didn’t appear to me that you had got the meaning of the posts by CariadAgain.
Do report anything you want to.

If it amuses me, I will.

growstuff Wed 17-Sept-25 18:49:33

Casdon

Oreo

Allira

CariadAgain

local county council = Ceredigion.

😁
That's why DH failed to get a job once.
He went a long way for the interview and it was going really well in English - until the very last question. Yes, you've guessed it!
The job did not entail dealing or even speaking to members of the public.

It happens and shows that there are many kinds of prejudice.

It happens both ways of course, the English have the reputation of looking down on the Welsh - prejudice is all around us, women don’t get the jobs they deserve, nor do people with disabilities, or people who don’t fit whatever brief has been set by those interviewing. It’s not racial prejudice though, the English and Welsh are the same race - just prejudice.

All human beings are the same race.

growstuff Wed 17-Sept-25 18:51:48

Casdon

Oreo

Allira

CariadAgain

local county council = Ceredigion.

😁
That's why DH failed to get a job once.
He went a long way for the interview and it was going really well in English - until the very last question. Yes, you've guessed it!
The job did not entail dealing or even speaking to members of the public.

It happens and shows that there are many kinds of prejudice.

It happens both ways of course, the English have the reputation of looking down on the Welsh - prejudice is all around us, women don’t get the jobs they deserve, nor do people with disabilities, or people who don’t fit whatever brief has been set by those interviewing. It’s not racial prejudice though, the English and Welsh are the same race - just prejudice.

Some English most certainly do look down on some Welsh people. Only somebody who is totally blinkered will have missed it.

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 18:51:51

growstuff

Oreo

Never heard any English person look down on the Welsh, the past maybe but not now.Think it’s much much more the other way around.
Prejudice is prejudice even if not racial.

Delve a bit deeper! Wales is in itself a derogatory term. "Wal" is an old Germanic term meaning outsider with an implication of inferiority. It's the same element found in the word "Walloon". It was used by Old English speakers to describe Celts. NB. The Welsh themselves don't use the word to describe their country and nationality.

Did you read my post? I said a word about the past but not now.

Maremia Wed 17-Sept-25 18:52:36

I wonder if there is an evolutionary reason for racism? It seems to exist the world over.

escaped Wed 17-Sept-25 18:54:18

Which experiences are you talking about? What have people actually personall experienced? It would be good to know what you're actually talking about.
Well it seems that at least two other posters know what I'm talking about! 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 18:58:02

Say it in French or Welsh, it may be better received by others who don’t know what you’re saying.😄

Doodledog Wed 17-Sept-25 18:59:56

petra

escaped

The overwhelming view was frustration that nobody would listen when they tried to speak of their experiences.
And isn't that exactly why, when people feel exasperated and angry, they make more noise in order to be heard?
I've witnessed it here in France, where a nation of rational thinkers, (like Descartes, Voltaire, and Rousseau), has turned into a loud mass of dissatisfied protesters, who are equally violent and attack the police.

I repeat, rising emotions about racism often stimulate thought, which eventually calls for a revision of decisions that might lead to more desirable outcomes. It doesn't mean that everyone with something to say is racist or unintelligent. Not at all.

In a nutshell 👏👏👏👏

But I repeat that this is not what is being said grin.

The article is not about protest, or about intelligence. It is suggesting that a general psychological malaise that leaves people anxious and without feelings of being 'rooted' might explain why some people have racist feelings.

There are so many threads about Farage, Yaxley Lennon, protests and immigration that I think they are getting confused in people's heads. I have to keep checking which thread I'm on.

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 19:00:21

Maremia

I wonder if there is an evolutionary reason for racism? It seems to exist the world over.

That’s a good point. The survival of the fittest theory?

Lathyrus3 Wed 17-Sept-25 19:01:06

growstuff

escaped

The overwhelming view was frustration that nobody would listen when they tried to speak of their experiences.
And isn't that exactly why, when people feel exasperated and angry, they make more noise in order to be heard?
I've witnessed it here in France, where a nation of rational thinkers, (like Descartes, Voltaire, and Rousseau), has turned into a loud mass of dissatisfied protesters, who are equally violent and attack the police.

I repeat, rising emotions about racism often stimulate thought, which eventually calls for a revision of decisions that might lead to more desirable outcomes. It doesn't mean that everyone with something to say is racist or unintelligent. Not at all.

Which experiences are you talking about? What have people actually personall experienced? It would be good to know what you're actually talking about.

I thought my post was clear that what Im talking about is the view of the journalist on Radio 4 who attended the protest and talked to many people there.

I thought it was relevant to the debate to highlight the opinion of someone who was there and who had wide experience of many different protests.

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 19:01:29

It’s just a thread meandering Doodledog🤷🏼‍♀️

escaped Wed 17-Sept-25 19:02:05

Lathyrus3 👍

Lathyrus3 Wed 17-Sept-25 19:04:02

In that he did not identify a “malaise” or “psychological ill health” but in the main, people who had concerns and who felt that they were being ignored or belittled.