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Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 10:16:17

4 of the 5 conditions are fulfilled.

UN report.

Babs03 Wed 24-Sept-25 14:56:55

AGAA4

Australian doctors working in the remains of Al-Shifa hospital say it is just mass murder now.
They are doing their best with no anaesthetic and some beds have no mattresses. They saved a baby from his pregnant mother who had been killed by the IDF.
Mass murder by Israel in Gaza city.

Indeed.
And still there is no end in sight. There really are no words.

AGAA4 Wed 24-Sept-25 15:00:30

The holocaust was a tragedy and what's happening in Gaza is too.
I don't believe in comparing tragedies. They are all examples of inhumanity.

AGAA4 Thu 25-Sept-25 13:54:08

Hamas have called for support for street battles in Gaza City with the IDF. More killing.

Anniebach Thu 25-Sept-25 14:03:23

So definitely still fighting

AGAA4 Thu 25-Sept-25 14:17:27

Probably their swan song as they won't win. Just more young men on both sides and those caught up in it being killed.
Hamas believe death is glory so will fight even though they have little chance.

Anniebach Thu 25-Sept-25 14:25:24

I read 5,000 is a number given

Oreo Thu 25-Sept-25 15:06:20

Anniebach

I read 5,000 is a number given

Yes, that’s what hamas are claiming, that they have 5,000 members to fight the IDF in Gaza City.
I think they’ll be lucky to have 500 willing to die for their misbegotten cause.

AGAA4 Thu 25-Sept-25 15:08:29

It may be just bluster. I hope so.

Maremia Thu 25-Sept-25 18:41:13

Read that the Spanish and Italians are sending naval ships to protect the convoy. Hope they get there safely soon.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 25-Sept-25 18:49:02

Hamas has issued a statement saying that they recognise Keir Starmer and Emanuel Macron as Honorary Members since they have recognised Gaza/Palestine as a State.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 25-Sept-25 19:35:18

Palestine is recognized by 4 out of the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council, which are China, France, Russia, and the United Kingdom, leaving the United States as the only permanent member not to recognize Palestine.

As of September 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 157 of the 193 member states of the United Nations (UN), or approximately 81% of all UN members. It has been a non-member observer state of the UN General Assembly since November 2012.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 25-Sept-25 19:37:14

Suggestion that Netanyahu is going to annex the West Bank.

AGAA4 Thu 25-Sept-25 19:43:40

GrannyGravy13

Hamas has issued a statement saying that they recognise Keir Starmer and Emanuel Macron as Honorary Members since they have recognised Gaza/Palestine as a State.

They must be both thrilled. All those recognising Palestine as a state have said that Hamas will take no part in governing it. Hamas will know that so it's just an attempt to validate themselves.

AGAA4 Thu 25-Sept-25 20:12:14

Whitewavemark2

Suggestion that Netanyahu is going to annex the West Bank.

Trump has told Arab leaders that he won't allow the west bank to be annexed. It would be a red line for Netanyahu to cross.
There's no certainty what either of those two men will do next.

Anniebach Fri 26-Sept-25 05:44:56

If 5,000 are expected to ‘take a stand’ , they are in Gaza not Qatar ?

Maremia Fri 26-Sept-25 07:52:46

Yes, Hamas trying to retain validation, when all/most sides say they are not part of Palestine's future.
Wonder if this could be manipulated in some way, to get the hostages out?

AGAA4 Fri 26-Sept-25 08:27:11

Tony Blair is in discussions to run a transitional Gaza authority if there is a ceasefire. This has been discussed with Trump and Arab leaders.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Sept-25 08:40:55

Ah, I wondered what he has been doing in Washington - now I know. I sort if suspected something if this sort. I just hope he hasn’t sold out to Trump.

Blair has been working in the Middle East for years now. I am sure that he has built up a huge amount of contacts.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Sept-25 08:41:55

Meanwhile the suffering continues.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Sept-25 08:49:05

So Microsoft has blocked/terminated the IDFs access to Microsoft’s technology that it has been using to survey Palestinian civilians.

That is one way the IDF would have known of the Oct. raid in advance.

Anniebach Fri 26-Sept-25 08:59:46

And all security forces ?

AGAA4 Fri 26-Sept-25 09:06:57

Blair has said he will not support anything that displaces the Palestinians people.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Sept-25 09:07:34

So the plan is for Blair to head up a temporary administration initially on the Egyptian side of south Gaza and then alongside a UN backed largely Arab Multi-national force eventually enter Gaza.

It is intended that the PA will unify all the Palestinian territory and people.

If Blair pulls this off he will s…t miracles, as he is not popular with the Palestinians because if his perceived opposition to their statehood and Iraq.

I think it stands more chance if it has a clear and enforceable timeline to Palestinian statehood

Absolutely everything crossed for this beacon of hope.

Not clear yet what Israel’s reaction is.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Sept-25 09:07:56

Anniebach

And all security forces ?

Provided by Arab states.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Sept-25 09:17:22

Netanyahu’s speech today - almost certainly broadcast live one one channel or another will I have no doubt give us some indication if the Blair project is going to take off.

Be quite interesting as it appears that Trump has pinned his plans to the Blair mast - so if Netanyahu refuses to play ball - what happens to future USA support?