Why don’t we use the military re stop the boats?

Eloethan

The US's relatively recent history is of immigrants arriving - and abusing and displacing the original inhabitants.

Wasn't Trump's grandfather an illegal immigrant?

Use the military? So we have a battalion stretched out over the south coast doing what? Shooting the rubber boats and leaving the occupants to drown? Or perhaps just strafing them with machine gun fire? Lots of ships patrolling the coast line, intercepting the rubber boats and returning the occupants to France who most likely wouldn't have them? Every American is an immigrant or descended from immigrants unless there native Americans. I find it ironic to hear these US politicians speaking about deporting immigrants - have they looked at their own surnames? UK isn't a whole lot different either.

The Romans arrived by boat
The Angles, Saxons & Jutes arrived by boat
The Vikings arrived by boat
The Normans arrived by boat
The Huguenots arrived by boat
The Jews arrived by boat
European refugees arrived by boat

We are also a bastard race.

Yes, 👏🏿 something has to change for all concerned but using the military isn't the answer.

LizzieDrip

^Why don’t you ignore international law then ?^

Because nann8, the UK is better than that.

Far from being ‘weak’, that makes us strong!

No it doesnt.

Katek

Use the military? So we have a battalion stretched out over the south coast doing what? Shooting the rubber boats and leaving the occupants to drown? Or perhaps just strafing them with machine gun fire? Lots of ships patrolling the coast line, intercepting the rubber boats and returning the occupants to France who most likely wouldn't have them? Every American is an immigrant or descended from immigrants unless there native Americans. I find it ironic to hear these US politicians speaking about deporting immigrants - have they looked at their own surnames? UK isn't a whole lot different either.

The Romans arrived by boat
The Angles, Saxons & Jutes arrived by boat
The Vikings arrived by boat
The Normans arrived by boat
The Huguenots arrived by boat
The Jews arrived by boat
European refugees arrived by boat

We are also a bastard race.

Yes, 👏🏿 something has to change for all concerned but using the military isn't the answer.

Why did they arrive by boat I wonder ?

That really is a non-starter.
I'm sure my ancestors might have arrived by plane had they been invented in the 1700s.

Teazel2

LizzieDrip

Why don’t you ignore international law then ?

Because nann8, the UK is better than that.

Far from being ‘weak’, that makes us strong!

No it doesnt.

Adhering go the rule of law has been something that the U.K. has always upheld and is part of why our system has been so envied and copied throughout the world.

Teazel2

LizzieDrip

Why don’t you ignore international law then ?

Because nann8, the UK is better than that.

Far from being ‘weak’, that makes us strong!

No it doesnt.

Only the weak give into bullies.

Teazel2

LizzieDrip

Why don’t you ignore international law then ?

Because nann8, the UK is better than that.

Far from being ‘weak’, that makes us strong!

No it doesnt.

Could you give the reasons why it makes us weak, as I agree with WWM2.

We quite rightly deplore what Putin does in the Ukraine - take children away! appalling situations in Africa and other troubled places - capturing children to be child soldiers.

The rules of war, the Geneva convention, is everything that is decent in a world where we can no longer count on it.

Are you really, really, seriously saying, Teazel, that we should follow those roads?

Teazel2

LizzieDrip

Why don’t you ignore international law then ?

Because nann8, the UK is better than that.

Far from being ‘weak’, that makes us strong!

No it doesnt.

It doesn't mean that Australia does not admit asylum seekers.
Many arrive by plane or have overstayed student visas.

I do know two people who have been deported for overstaying their visas or being wrongly advised about the type of visa required and both are a loss to Australia imo.

People sure are going down an unusual route now to think there's such a thing as "rules to war". I guess no-one has heard the phrase "All's fair in love and war"....because everything I've ever read about war indicates there are no rules and even the "good guys" go in for some abominable behaviour. As far as I can make out - and happy to be corrected if wrong - but even some British soldiers didn't come out of World War 2 personally covered in glory (as some women could attest) - but it got hushed-up.

Pretty much standard for soldiers in wartime not to cover themselves with glory it would appear....

.....and back onto the "Ooooh....you'd be leaving the migrants to drown if we didnt get roped in to pick them up". I rather think very firmly getting the message over to all concerned - traffickers, the migrants themselves that we are "out of the equation"/our ships and lifeboats will not be there to act as unpaid taxis is a message that would get through and they probably wouldnt come in the first place and certainly wouldnt come in the second place or thereafter....

But I suppose there's no way to stop people whipping up unjustified hysteria to support the way they themselves wish things to be - 'twas ever thus....

Well d'uh Allira! I'm not a moron! Just thought it was interesting that plus ça change plus c'rst la mème chose.,

Some of my lot arrived on a Viking longship.

Snap! Katek - way way back (we're talking centuries) so did some of my fathers side of the family - ie arrive on a Viking longship in all probability. We've got that blonde & Dupuytren's Contracture gene that the Vikings had - and Margaret Thatcher from those same genes.....

There was a Dutch woman somewhere or other in the mix a few generations back on my mothers side - and so presumably a ship. Then there was the Scottish woman on my mothers side (okays - same country then imo) that must have come down to England on horseback. I've got a feeling that, if I were able to head back down the line on my mothers side to the 17th century or thereabouts = I gather there were a noticeable number of Spanish people that moved to Cornwall (what she regards as her county) - cue for me being distinctly envious come the summers of just how well my mothers skin tanned (unlike my pale Celtic/Viking mix I got the genes for and can't tan to save my life and best not trying....). But, according to the Welsh way of looking at things - as many seem to quote "Oh he/she is 5th generation Welsh" = I'm 5th generation English or more...

Katek

Well d'uh Allira! I'm not a moron! Just thought it was interesting that plus ça change plus c'rst la mème chose.,

Some of my lot arrived on a Viking longship.

I didn't say you were a moron, did I, *Katek.

It was you who used that word.

The vast majority of people in the UK with European ancestry have some Viking ancestry. The Viking Age was from about 800 to 1066. People alive today in theory have over 70 million ancestors from those years - in fact, there weren't 70 million people on the planet 1200 years ago, so people married distant cousins, which reduced the number of ancestors, but it would be extremely unusual not to have a Viking ancestor somewhere.

Allira

Katek

Well d'uh Allira! I'm not a moron! Just thought it was interesting that plus ça change plus c'rst la mème chose.,

Some of my lot arrived on a Viking longship.

I didn't say you were a moron, did I, *Katek.

It was you who used that word.

That word is offensive to use. It was originally a serious medical term of those with learning disabilities and was used to mock them.

Please, GN's don't use that word: Katek, and anyone else who does use it still, please note. It is still used to mock, remember

And its " c'est la mème chose".

(rushed posts have snags)

Here's a link to a 2021 article about using the navy when it was suggested back then:

theconversation.com/sending-in-the-royal-navy-is-not-the-answer-to-small-boat-migration-in-the-channel-175115#:~:text=Certainly%2C%20at%20first%20glance%2C%20the,an%20upgraded%20fleet%20of%20cutters.

I wonder if the people who think the RN can control immigration has considered that there are only two RN cutters for the whole English Channel. There would need to be a massive redeployment of resources to have any effect at all.

Wyllow3

Allira

Katek

Well d'uh Allira! I'm not a moron! Just thought it was interesting that plus ça change plus c'rst la mème chose.,

Some of my lot arrived on a Viking longship.

I didn't say you were a moron, did I, *Katek.

It was you who used that word.

That word is offensive to use. It was originally a serious medical term of those with learning disabilities and was used to mock them.

Please, GN's don't use that word: Katek, and anyone else who does use it still, please note. *It is still used to mock, remember*

I didn't and would not use that word.

I'm afraid Katek took offence at my post which pointed out that there was no other mode of transport to cross the seas (until the last century) so using that analogy to make a point was - well pointless.

An interesting word - arrival. The goverrment makes clear the difference between illegal entry and controlled arrival.

People arriving on small boats are the latter. e.g.

•arrival under the supervision of a lawful authority - such as Border Force, Coastguard or Royal Navy

•arrival following rescue in UK territorial seas by persons acting under the knowledge and direction of the coastguard – such as the RNLI.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/powers-and-operational-procedure/irregular-or-unlawful-entry-and-arrival-accessible

So, yes. People arriving by small boat and presenting themselves to the authorities are arriving.

I would never ever think that you would Allira 👍

My DGD has multiple disabilities and now at 11 is very obvious and "unusual or odd" behaviour. Yes, some insensitive children do mock, she's weird blah blah.

Please ever ever use that word again. Especially educated people who use it are....ignorant.

And I know people who have mental health problems get called it. I've met one, a man in his 50's, people do that pointing at the head and waggling the finger thing. Clearly a .....

I think the underlying point to take from Mr Trump (the US problem being somewhat different from the UK) is that when the PM has a good idea he should follow through with it effectively.

With Russia provoking confrontation in Poland and Estonia our militaty are going to be quite busy enough without wasting time on migrants

David49

With Russia provoking confrontation in Poland and Estonia our militaty are going to be quite busy enough without wasting time on migrants

Yes - worrying. They really are pushing us. What will stop Putin?

Whitewavemark2

David49

With Russia provoking confrontation in Poland and Estonia our militaty are going to be quite busy enough without wasting time on migrants

Yes - worrying. They really are pushing us. What will stop Putin?

There is a theory - that was expounded at length in yesterdays papers - that Putin is deliberately playing up in Eastern Europe to get our heads "turned the other way" whilst his buddy pal in China invades Taiwan (just as he's been wanting to for some time). Quite some detail was given - and it sounded all too possible that this is what is going on right now - ie a game of "Distract Nato to suit China".

Then we'll throw into the mix that Pakistan has given access to its nukes to Saudi Arabia and I'm there thinking "I guess it could only get much worse if aliens invaded wholesale - thinks now about that comet/or is it that's up there right now?"

Feels almost like "Might as well go back to bed and hide under the bedclothes.....as it all feels a bit threatening on Earth right now..." Gives myself another lecture on "You must have been out of your head Cariad to decide to get born on this planet back in the 1950s. Bad judgement or what....." as I personally think "Can I manage to get through the remaining 10 years I've got due here without anything else bad cropping up - either nationally or personally?"

You may as well ask why not bring in the local police and fire services, the ambulance service and local voluntary groups?

What do you think the military are doing all day? Just sitting around waiting for a war?

You may as well round up all the people waving flags and following Yaxley Lennon et all and say; 'what did you do to stop the boats???'

Oh I said we ought to bring in the RN on an on-line forum and put up a flag outside my house.

Come on people!!!