Why don’t we use the military re stop the boats?

escaped

^it's not the child's play people on here seem to think it is^
Seriously Growstuff, I'm not treating it as a bagatelle. I'd like to know.

France/England about to kick off now. 🇫🇷 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
Should be a good match. 🏉
I predict we'll win.

Oh! People on GN (and elsewhere) do seem to think there are simple solutions. Just read some of it:

- send the Navy in!
- hack into bank accounts!

What a joke!

They have no idea what is already being done or what has already been achieved. They have no idea how sophisticated and complicated the networks are.

A few weeks ago, people were cheering some GBNews presenter who challenged a people smuggler in France. What they don't seem to realise is that he was expendable and alerted the bosses to one meeting point being rumbled. It's very possible it undid work that the NCA had been doing undercover - but that doesn't improve viewing figures.

People do seem to think catching criminals is child's play!

theworriedwell

Be careful about condemning migrants in case you ever need care. I visited an elderly relative with advanced dementia in her care home. Barely a white face in sight and no British accents at all just very kind caring people doing a brilliant job that British people don't seem to want to do.

I do, so do other white people in my area.We have a few Eastern European care workers just now but mainly, like me white British.
It all depends where you live.

fancythat

growstuff

fancythat

mokryna

I really don’t understand that with all the controls there are around the world, regarding banks and tracing money, that the powers that be can’t block the money arriving at the smugglers bank accounts.

ooh. good point.

It's really not a good point! International criminals don't use the kind of high street banks which can easily be controlled.

What do they use?
Since you seem to know quite a lot about it all.

They use burner phones, bitcoin, accounts in countries which don't allow international scrutiny, warehouses in remote destinations and many other methods.

Oreo

theworriedwell

Be careful about condemning migrants in case you ever need care. I visited an elderly relative with advanced dementia in her care home. Barely a white face in sight and no British accents at all just very kind caring people doing a brilliant job that British people don't seem to want to do.

I do, so do other white people in my area.We have a few Eastern European care workers just now but mainly, like me white British.
It all depends where you live.

Thank you for proving what I've been saying. There are many people in the UK who aren't affected in any way by immigrants. The people making the noise have weaponised them for their own agenda.

I'm under no illusions about the complexity of the situation, Growstuff, and I doubt whetheranyone on GN is privy to the truth about what actually goes on behind the scenes.
That's why I start with simplicity in my suggestion. Block the sale of the boats to criminals, even if it costs us in the short term. (Though I guess they'll only go and find other manufacturers).

escaped

I'm under no illusions about the complexity of the situation, Growstuff, and I doubt whetheranyone on GN is privy to the truth about what actually goes on behind the scenes.
That's why I start with simplicity in my suggestion. Block the sale of the boats to criminals, even if it costs us in the short term. (Though I guess they'll only go and find other manufacturers).

No, they aren't privy, but some seem completely unaware.

My daughter works for the NCA. She's quite senior, but even she is only allowed to know a very small amount of current operations and she's not allowed to speak about them.

However, the NCA does publish details about past operations and I'm aware that work is ongoing.

People do seem to think catching criminals is child's play!

Pretyy sure there are people in the know, about who these people are!

No end of technology nowadays.
Not to mention spies etc etc.

Your idea about stopping the sale of boats to criminals is a complete non-starter. How exactly could you stop any sale?

Try watching this:

www.channel4.com/programmes/operation-dark-phone-murder-by-text

It's a documentary, not drama.

growstuff

Oreo

theworriedwell

Be careful about condemning migrants in case you ever need care. I visited an elderly relative with advanced dementia in her care home. Barely a white face in sight and no British accents at all just very kind caring people doing a brilliant job that British people don't seem to want to do.

I do, so do other white people in my area.We have a few Eastern European care workers just now but mainly, like me white British.
It all depends where you live.

Thank you for proving what I've been saying. There are many people in the UK who aren't affected in any way by immigrants. The people making the noise have weaponised them for their own agenda.

It proves nothing at all that you’re saying growstuff just that in my particular care home in my particular town there are white British workers such as myself working there.
In some areas, towns then the scene is likely to be different.In London 49% are now foreign born.

Mamie

Allira

Mamie

Aveline

Royal navy boats patrolling the channels and turning the rubber boats back to France for a few months should give potential illegal migrants something to think about.

Fast-tracking the introduction of universal identity cards in the UK would be a far better use of time and money.
The ability to live under the radar without documents is why many people seek to enter the UK.
Why don't the people who are so concerned about immigration campaign a bit harder?

Excellent idea, Mamie.

The number of undocumented people in the UK is estimated at between 700,000 and 900,000 according to Full Fact.
Farage claims that there are far more.

The Government tinkered around the edges of this problem earlier this year, bringing through new rules in a rush, thus causing problems for people who wished to come here for a short visit then return home again. It has done nothing to solve the current problem.

Just to be clear Allira I am talking about universal ID cards, the same requirement for the entire population, as is the case for almost all of Europe.
I think there is some discussion of digital ID for the UK at the moment.

Yes, I did understand what you meant, Mamie.

I have absolutely nothing against ID cards although know some dislike the idea. Not everyone has a passport or driving licence to prove their ID.

mokryna

I really don’t understand that with all the controls there are around the world, regarding banks and tracing money, that the powers that be can’t block the money arriving at the smugglers bank accounts.

All money transactions are done through crypto currency. Good luck with that one.

Oh yes it does prove something Oreo. Most villages and towns in the UK are the same. If you want, you can even Google the demographic profiles of these places, which disproves the paranoia and hysterical language which is being used about immigrants.

My point was we don't know who will be caring for us if we need care. Looks like my relatives home couldn't run without the foreign staff, I found the same in our local hospital where my Consultant was Indian and my named nurse was from the Philippines. The British nurses were singing the praises of the nurses from the Philippines and as a patient id have to agree. She was excellent.

growstuff

Try watching this:

www.channel4.com/programmes/operation-dark-phone-murder-by-text

It's a documentary, not drama.

I'll try later when I'm off French tv.
There is too much drama about to take place on the pitch at the moment. 🏉
Good England try. 👍
But thanks, none the less.

My non-starter would be to find the Chinese (?) boat manufacturer first and work back. If the boats had to be registered in the first place, that would obviously help, but I don't know how tight paperwork at the point of sale it.

theworriedwell

My point was we don't know who will be caring for us if we need care. Looks like my relatives home couldn't run without the foreign staff, I found the same in our local hospital where my Consultant was Indian and my named nurse was from the Philippines. The British nurses were singing the praises of the nurses from the Philippines and as a patient id have to agree. She was excellent.

My point was we don't know who will be caring for us if we need care.

Which is my point as well.
And now from what you wrote earlier, there is a bigger problem that I had not thought about previously.

Well if you're like my relatives with advanced dementia you will just want someone kind who knows how to care for you.

69 inflatables have been seized this year on the Turkish/ Bulgaria border this year
Once upon a time this border was as weak as a fag paper but obviously things have changed.

GrannyGravy13

escaped

mokryna

I really don’t understand that with all the controls there are around the world, regarding banks and tracing money, that the powers that be can’t block the money arriving at the smugglers bank accounts.

Yes. Or the payments nade to the suppliers of the small boats which could then be traced back to the manufacturers?

Anyone would think that those in power, in many different countries do not want to stop this…

Or do not know how to deal with this and are passing the problems on from country to country.

Let's face it, if any of this was easy, it would have been done.

There is no single solution to deal with the the boats. It has to be a multi faceted and international approach - which is what the current Government is doing.

Ignorance and impatience is not the answer.

Blinko

Let's face it, if any of this was easy, it would have been done.

There is no single solution to deal with the the boats. It has to be a multi faceted and international approach - which is what the current Government is doing.

Ignorance and impatience is not the answer.

Really..Ignorance and impatience is not the answer....

Who are You? Don't understand your comments at all...

Blinko

Let's face it, if any of this was easy, it would have been done.

There is no single solution to deal with the the boats. It has to be a multi faceted and international approach - which is what the current Government is doing.

Ignorance and impatience is not the answer.

You’re not wrong. Some of the suggestions/ ideas on here are bordering on Dads Army. 😂

petra

69 inflatables have been seized this year on the Turkish/ Bulgaria border this year
Once upon a time this border was as weak as a fag paper but obviously things have changed.

What happens to all these boats?
Do they get recycled or go into landfill? 😲

Bea65

Blinko

Let's face it, if any of this was easy, it would have been done.

There is no single solution to deal with the the boats. It has to be a multi faceted and international approach - which is what the current Government is doing.

Ignorance and impatience is not the answer.

Really..Ignorance and impatience is not the answer....

Who are You? Don't understand your comments at all...

who are you
A very long standing member^
Hi Blinko 👋

Primrose53

Well said Allira 👏

The pro migrants always resort to using language that they hope will irritate or upset those who hold different views.

It is meaningless nastiness.

I don't think anyone on here is pro illegal immigration. I think everyone is tired of the evil gang leaders screwing money out of people with promises if a new life and risking their lives in the process.
But a lot of us are pro humanity in the midst of this chaotic situation. And pro law.
It is a complex situation that needs carefully thought through solutions that meet the demands of both humanity and the law. There is not going to be a quick or simple answer, but for sure we must not go down a route where anyone, RNLI or navy, stand by while people drown.