Duchess of York removed as Patron by 5 children’s charities.

Maybe this will be the impetus Charles needs to throw the pair of them out of Royal Lodge.
He’s been trying to eject Andrew for many months without success.

Prince Philip had the measure of Sarah Ferguson didn’t he?

I think maybe the King kindly started to give her a margin of error, and also perhaps for the sake of her daughters, by slowly allowing her to edge her way back into the family circle so to speak.

But these latest revelations have rather thwarted his attempts.

Plus the rather unfortunate photos of her and Prince Andrew having what appeared to be a whale of a time laughing and joking on the steps of Westminster Cathedral after the Duchess of Kent's funeral.

I think they'd serve themselves, the Royal Family and the country well by quietly and quickly disappearing over the horizon. For sure if they're still up to their shenanigins when William becomes King they may not know what's hit them.

I’m not a fan of either of them, but I do wonder if Sarah’s ‘friendship’ with Epstein was not only driven by her own money situation. My gut feeling is that Epstein had a lot on Andrew that we don’t know about, but Sarah does, and he was either blackmailing him or threatening to. If that is the case, she would have been trying to protect her family - and it may explain why the Royal family allowed her back into the fold.

Casdon

I’m not a fan of either of them, but I do wonder if Sarah’s ‘friendship’ with Epstein was not only driven by her own money situation. My gut feeling is that Epstein had a lot on Andrew that we don’t know about, but Sarah does, and he was either blackmailing him or threatening to. If that is the case, she would have been trying to protect her family - and it may explain why the Royal family allowed her back into the fold.

I also share your opinions. There’s something that doesn’t sit right with their behaviour. As previously said Prince Philip seemed to have their measure.

According to news papers today (Mail online) 🙄 he paid of debts of £15,000 in 2011, not a mega amount in their billionaire lifestyles , I wonder if she thinks it was worth it today, you have too crawl for his forgiveness in distancing yourself from someone who was already under investigation.
I often wonder about women who condone a paedophile actions when they have daughters of the same age.

Anniebach

Recently she said the late Queen speaks to her through the dogs !

Which proves even more that she’s barking! 🐕🐕

merlotgran

Anniebach

Recently she said the late Queen speaks to her through the dogs !

Which proves even more that she’s barking! 🐕🐕

It's obviously lost in translation too, as the late Queen was a very astute woman, although, if she had a blind spot, it was Andrew.

valdavi

Smileless2012

Makes sense; who would want someone considered a convicted paedophile was a friend to be involved with a children's charity or any charity.

I don't think he was a convicted paedophile when she addressed him as friend, & I'm pretty sure he didn't go round saying to social acquaintances "you know, I'm likely to go down to posterity as a convicted paedophile, so if you want to distance yourself from me, go ahead..."
Not a Fergie fan, but it makes me exceedingly cross.
Judge people by what they say, what they do, and even, with reservations. by the company they currently keep - but not who was on their friends list decades ago.
It's different for the men, because there's always the possibility they participated in the abuse.

He was convicted of sex offences against a 14 year old girl. Sarah Ferguson publicly disowned him. A couple of weeks later in a private email, she was gushing in her friendship. Said she’d had to publicly disown him on advice, to protect the brand of her children’s books

As an aside valdavi, I find your suggestion it’s different for men, because there’s always the possibility they participated in the abuse stunningly naive. Especially in this case, where Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison for her role in abusing girls

I never did take to Fergie right from the beginning.

I always saw her as a ''I always need attention'' type.

I find her creepy and slimy.

I suppose that because abuse is regarded as sexual activity, whereas Ghislaine Maxwell procured them.
Someone is releasing this information: Mandelson, Prince Andrew, Sarah Ferguson, no doubt to divert attention from all the men named in Guiffre's deposition which she swore never to reveal.
No honour among thieves.

A woman who loves the title Duchess and grovels to a man imprisoned for crimes against underage girlsattends the funeral of a Duchess who gave up all public duties to teach love of music to children

eazybee

I suppose that because abuse is regarded as sexual activity, whereas Ghislaine Maxwell procured them.
Someone is releasing this information: Mandelson, Prince Andrew, Sarah Ferguson, no doubt to divert attention from all the men named in Guiffre's deposition which she swore never to reveal.
No honour among thieves.

Maxwells is alleged by many girls to have participated in the sexual abuse they were subjected to

I agree with your comments about reason behind the drip feed release of information

eazybee

She just seems to lurch from debt crisis to crisis, and never seems to be able to control her money.
Oh dear.

eazybee
There’s only one thing wrong with this post her money
Unless she was a very wealthy woman when she married every penny she has spent has come from the public purse or ponsed off every despot lowlife she has come into contacted with.
Allegedly 😉

Can these two undesirables be exiled somewhere?

Astitchintime

Can these two undesirables be exiled somewhere?

It will be interesting to see what King Charles does to mitigate the situation. I don’t see them going willingly.

Poor King Charles, his son, his brother and cancer

LovesBach

It seems Epstein cleared Sarah Ferguson's debts at one time in the past. Such associations are hard to shake off. What a tawdry business. I too feel sympathy for Beatrice and Eugenie; how mortifying to have both parents shown up badly in public.

They'll probably turn out the same.... Just give it time....

I was never the biggest fan of hers but I did used to have a certain admiration for how she had rebuilt her tattered reputation following her split from Andrew. Now it looks like she is back to square one.
There were sufficient public concerns about Epstein's conduct at the point she publicly denounced him all those years ago and pledged to cut all ties - why else would she have done so if not to salvage her own reputation. The problem is, it looks like she said one thing publicly and did the opposite in private, thinking she wouldn't get found out. Personally I don't buy all this stuff about her being intimidated by Epstein's aggressive threats of legal action for defamation as I can't see he would have had a leg to stand on in the light of allegations which had put him in the spotlight in the first place.
It looks for Sarah Ferguson like the chickens might have finally come home to roost

The King is totally misguided in allowing his brother to be welcomed at family events that are in the public eye. It is akin to accepting the Duke's behaviour and is setting a terrible example to his citizens. If York was innocent why pay £10,000,000+ ( said to be the Queen's money) to his victim? It is shaming to his monarchy and although not a supporter of William, at least he is said to be keen to disassociate from the Yorks.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

A 6th charity has now removed her.

I do feel sorry for Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie. Not just one - but both parents now. How tawdry.

I do feel sorry for them too, because they have to carry the weight of their parents being nob heads.
But they will survive.

Its funny, but I've always liked the woman. she never gave a crap about who did or who didn't like her. spent money even if it weren't hers, and still managed to come out smiling.
I would imagine all this is making her laugh and not bothered one iota.
its not like she was being paid, is it!

I am sure Epstien was a fab friend and wonderful host, and he had friends in many high and low places. It is a shame that he turned out to be what he was. and I am sure a lot of his friends were shocked to find out. Not all of them knew what he really was, so that has to be taken into consideration. Whether she knew? (shrugs shoulders) but its the painted with the brush scenario isnt it? Andrew knew, so she must have known? or did she!
we cant all know who our friends really are, until it comes out in the open.

We don’t need a royal family and their hangers on all hoping to get ‘a role’ to keep their lavish lifestyles going. She has been after money any way she could get it, just like Andrew, and Epstein was another ‘generous friend’. Great to know they live in a lavish property with security still funded by taxpayers.

Can the King remove the title of Duchess?
It just sounds so wrong that this women is still going around with such a title, after being divorced from Andrew and not being born a Royal. At the moment she is of equal rank to the Duchess of Edinburgh, for example: surely that's unacceptable when she was such a close friend of Epstein?

Anniebach

Recently she said the late Queen speaks to her through the dogs !

She’s barking!

I think appropriate that SF’s association with children’s charities should be terminated in view of what has come to light but I don’t see the need for any further hand-wringing

I hope that the king does nothing unless it is shown that she or P Andrew were personally involved in illegal activity. P Andrew has paid a heavy price for his folly and now SF is doing the same. That’s enough it seems to me.

Were all the former friends of Jimmy Saville excoriated and driven out of their jobs btw.

Sadgrandma

I think the best thing Andrew and Fergie could do would be to pack their bags and disappear into the sunset to exile in some distant land, never to be seen again!

Like Harry and Meghan, tho he seems not to be able to stay away for long.